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Title: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on June 17, 2019, 12:36:03 PM
Hi All,

This is the Trumpeter Messerschmitt Me262 A-1 in 1/144 scale.

Wanted something that I hope could be a quickish project to get back into modelling, now I've re arranged the modelling bench back to a more usual ergonomic layout.

As you can see the parts are nicely moulded, with a good decal sheet, and two marking options.
The kit also has a Kettenkrad tractor to pose towing the finished article and is quite sweet and detailed in this small scale.
I've removed the fuselage, lower fuselage/wings, and gun bay doors (open and closed) and done a test fit, and it looks a good fit. Also I determined where I could put any ballast as there isn't a lot of room in the fuselage, so it looks like the engine cowlings might get filled with lead. The cockpit tub is a single piece and will only need some seat harnesses making from paper.

Anyway some pictures follow:-
Bigkev

   
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on June 17, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
Good to have you back
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Haddock on June 17, 2019, 12:56:13 PM
Hello again.
Haddock
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on June 17, 2019, 09:32:19 PM
Thanks Guys,
Been away from the website too long.
I'm glad to be back modelling.
I've been applying paint tonight, but got no pictures at the moment, though these will follow, probably tomorrow.
Hope to be back contributing reguarly, now I've got the modelling room re-jigged.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on June 20, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Hi All,
Painting on the cockpit is now complete, complete with fiddly seat harnesses. Quite a challenge in 1/144th! Have also added some 'Liquid Gravity' to the fuselage and some plasticine and lead shot to the front of the nacelles. Not sure if it will be enough....!
I have also managed to tidy up the engine nacelle parts, ready for assembly
Pictures of the cockpit:-
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Roger on June 24, 2019, 10:55:05 AM
Nice cockpit detail - was that all included in the kit?
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on June 24, 2019, 03:53:15 PM
Lovely job on a small model.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on September 29, 2019, 12:26:25 PM
Hi All,
Got back to the bench at last.
Have now managed to prime and get basic underside colour on RLM 76 Litchblau sprayed on. I have used some old Aeromaster Acrylic paint that I had in my stash. This sprayed on beautifully despite being some 20 years old!
Also I have masked the cockpit canopy with some Bare-Metal foil which is burnished onto the exterior then using a new scalpel blade the tip follows the framing and the foil covering the frame is peeled away.
Some pictures follow:-
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on September 29, 2019, 02:07:46 PM
Looking good - seeing as you have  the Kattenkrad, will you set them both in a small diorama ???
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on September 29, 2019, 02:49:11 PM
Hi Msea,
Thanks for your comment.
Yes, I will be posing them in a small diorama setting.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Haddock on September 29, 2019, 03:26:14 PM
Neat!
Haddock.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on September 29, 2019, 06:27:56 PM
Thanks Haddock,
Made a little more progress today. The cockpit area has been painted in RLM 66 Dark Grey as too have the canopy frames. Once dry the cockpit was glued in place using Micro Kristal Kleer, this also helps fill any slight gaps, using water to remove any excess.
Once dry I masked the fuselage/undersides with a mixture of Blu-Tack 'worms' and Tamiya Tape.
I then applied a couple of light coats of RLM 82 by Aeromaster again, once dry I will then mask off and paint the disruptive camouflage of RLM 83.
Incidentally, I think the colour notes on the instructions are transposed, my RLM 83 is the lighter of the two greens. However I will try to match the instructions as best I can.
Some Pictures follow.
Cheers,
Bigkev

PS. To indicate the size of this model, I have included Haddock's favourite coin, the 50p piece!       
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: kiwichappers on October 11, 2019, 10:38:39 AM
1/144 scale, wow, I'm very impressed Kev. A very attractive aeroplane I think. Looking forward to seeing the finished diorama.
Francis
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on October 11, 2019, 11:01:31 AM
Does Zak know you still have 50pence  left - bet he gets it from you next meeting - hohohoho
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 12, 2019, 10:20:35 AM
Does Zak know you still have 50pence  left - bet he gets it from you next meeting - hohohoho

Nope he, didn't until now.
Anyway back from my little jaunt, and I made sure that I spent the 50p!
So I hope to get some more work done on this over the weekend.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 12, 2019, 05:09:48 PM
Well, managed to mask the upper surfaces in readiness for tomorrow's painting session.
As mentioned beforehand I think the colour descriptions have been transposed, so opposed to my usual approach the lighter green will be sprayed next.
Once done further smaller blotches of both colours will be added to the fuselage sides and wing surfaces.
A few pictures follow.
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 13, 2019, 05:23:08 PM
Hi All,
Well the rain has meant I'm allowed in the modelling room!
So I have managed to give the upper surface's a coat of RLM 83 'Olivgrun'. All went well, and the Aeromaster paint sprayed beautifully, despite being 20 years old.
Once dry, I peeled off the masking. The tape was no problem, but the Blu-Tack worms meant a little more work. they did not peel off in one motion, but needed several passes with a bigger piece of Blu-Tack to remove the material completely.
Once done I was left with quite a nice demarcation line, on both wings and fuselage.
Some pictures follow.
Bigkev 
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 13, 2019, 05:29:07 PM
Hi All,
Whilst waiting for the main airframe to dry properly, I took the opportunity of painting the Kettenkrad and towing arms, plus the insides of the undercarriage doors.
All painted using Aeromaster paint, which being water based made for easy application and clean up.
A few pictures follow.
Bigkev
 
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 13, 2019, 05:36:54 PM
Hi All,
Well after all that masking had been removed, and paint allowed to dry, I decided I could tackle the mottle camouflage on the fuselage sides and engine cowlings. It took a few go's, having to re-cover some bits that were too heavy, or had indications of airbrush splatter. A few hours later I was happy with the result, and I am now ready to paint the undercarriage bays in RLM 02 Grey, then apply a gloss 'Future' varnish to seal everything in ready to deaclling.
A few pictures follow:-
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 16, 2019, 07:42:54 PM
Hi All,
Well a bit further on now.
Managed to paint in the red trim on the nose and tail.
Also I have applied 3 thin coats of Johnson's 'Kleer' to the airframe ready for decaling. However, I kept the 'Kleer' off the canopy parts, so as not to create a build up on the canopy frames. Once decalled, I will apply a final Matt/Satin coat to the whole airframe, including the canopy so there will be no apparent difference in finish..... I hope!
Decaling next...…
Some pictures follow:-
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Haddock on October 17, 2019, 10:18:10 AM
Looking nice. Is the Klear brushed or airbrushed?
Haddock.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 17, 2019, 07:05:26 PM
Hi Haddock,
Thankyou for your comment, yes, it is coming along nicely now..
As to the 'Kleer' I always use a number '6' size brush. But I find that it works better if you wet the brush thoroughly in warm water, then squeeze out most of water before dipping it in the 'Kleer'. Then it is just a case of quick light coats, allowing about an hour between coats.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 18, 2019, 06:49:04 AM
Hi All,
A bit more progress. The decals have been applied, using the Micro Set and Micro Sol solution's.
A quick check revealed a couple of areas where silvering occurred despite the gloss finish. So using a hypodermic needle, I pricked the areas involved and applied some more Micro Sol.
Once dried, I will give the model a wash with a warm soapy piece of cloth, followed by a quick rinse, to remove any excess solution's, and then it is time for the varnish.
Some pictures to show:-
Bigkev   :D
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Roger on October 18, 2019, 08:48:04 AM
Lovely, looks just right.

Roger
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 18, 2019, 07:02:24 PM
Lovely, looks just right.

Roger

Thanks Roger,
Considering the high quality of your builds, that means a lot to me.
It will look even better once it has been matted down and the canopy masks removed.
Not sure about the towing arm for the Kettenkrad, I think it might be toned down to RLM 02 Grau, yellow just looks wrong...?
I'll have it done for Telford, Base and All,  Yippee!
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Roger on October 19, 2019, 10:38:10 AM
Looking forward to seeing it at Telford. Perhaps you might pick up a 1/32 Schwalbe cheap at Wonderland Models - would you fancy scaling up?
R
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 19, 2019, 05:02:10 PM
Looking forward to seeing it at Telford. Perhaps you might pick up a 1/32 Schwalbe cheap at Wonderland Models - would you fancy scaling up?
R

Ooooh Errrr?
Not sure, I love the Schwalbe as an aircraft, but it would be a big project.
Perhaps you'll have to convince me at Telford.
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 20, 2019, 04:32:57 PM
Hi All,
The end is in sight.
I have managed to get the airframe finished and varnished.
I use Vallejo Matt and Satin varnishes, at a ration of 5 matt to 2 Satin, which gives a flat finish, but still retaining a small amount of 'sheen'.
Also whilst on the final leg I gave the Kettenkrad some detail painting, on the seats, tracks and tyre. Then I gave it a coat of 'Kleer', which once dried, a thin wash of 'Burnt Umber' oil paint thinned with turpentine, and allowed to settle in the recesses and detail.
I also gave the U/C the same treatment, which picked out some of the detail on these parts. They now need a 'varnish' as above, to maintain same finish.
I removed the 'Bare-Metal' masking on the canopy and found I had some adhesive residue. A quick internet search advised to use good old WD-40 to remove it. I used a Micro-brush, and a coffee stirrer, which had been dipped into WD-40 and it worked perfectly. The residue was gone, and after a quick wipe with a clean piece of kitchen towel, left with nice clear canopy.
However, I understand that it works best if the paint used on the model is Acrylic, not Oil Based.
Now I just need to 'varnish' the undercarriage parts and Kettenkrad, and then create a suitable base.
Some pictures of the above:-
Bigkev
   
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on October 21, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
Hi All,
Final details have now been added and all the various bits brought together.
A stretched sprue pitot tube on the port wing, and the seat belts are all that was added to the basic kit.
Happy with the finish, though I may replace the towing arm, as it appears too heavy.
A small piece of 'concrete paper' has been placed underneath just for photo purpose's. I will make a more finished base in the next few days.
Some pictures follow:-
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Haddock on October 22, 2019, 08:42:02 AM
Exquisite. Not you, the model.
Haddock.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on October 22, 2019, 10:18:46 AM
Nice looking model.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on November 17, 2019, 05:40:25 PM
Hi All,
Well another Me262 in 1/144th.
This is again the same kit as before but is going to be finished in different markings and carrying drop tanks and R4M missiles under the wings.
Not bothered too much with the build for here, other than I removed most of the gun bay detail which won't be seen to make more room for nose weight.
A quick showed it to balance much better than the previous one.
The canopy has again been masked with Bare Metal foil. I really enjoy using this, now I know how to remove the glue residue with WD-40.
Model undercoated, then painted in RLM 82 and 83. At this point the masking between the two removed, but note that some mottling of the two greens is needed before applying the black undersides.
Some pictures follow:-
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on November 17, 2019, 06:09:30 PM
You have been busy.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on November 19, 2019, 02:04:20 PM
You have been busy.

Hi Zak,
Yes, a little modelling done.
Now managed to get the undersides masked and painted. I have use Tamiya Gloss X-1, together with some retarder, and some Mr. Hobby Colour levelling thinner.
Also I have painted the drop tanks, in readiness for some Alclad II Aluminium. Also the main undercarriage doors.
Will wait for about 24 hours before I remove masking, allowing the paint to harden slightly.
Some pictures follow:-
Bigkev   
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on November 19, 2019, 02:28:04 PM
The Flu seems to have got you going!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on November 20, 2019, 07:27:29 PM
Hi Zak,
Well it got me going, but not sure if that's in modelling terms....

Anyway have now softened the demarcation line between the black undersides and camouflage upper surfaces.
I used Tamiya XF-1 Flat Black, rather than gloss as it was easier to see where I was applying it on the gloss back surfaces.
I used a low pressure, and thinned the paint and added some retarder to stop the paint drying on the needle. In general it worked though I did need to clean needle tip a couple of times. I sprayed from about 5mm from surface, so pretty close.
Tomorrow night I will 'Kleer' the model, and paint the undercarriage items, drop tanks, etc.
Coming on nicely, though not as fast as the Airco DH.9 of Zak's
Some pictures follow of work on this Me262:-
Bigkev.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on November 23, 2019, 11:15:35 PM
You should get the flu more often - hohoho
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on December 12, 2019, 08:44:21 PM
Hi Msea,
Happy to share it with you...…..
Anyway this Me262 is now complete.
Some pictures follow of the finished item.
Bigkev

PS. Another Me262 project is underway, but this has two models.…
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Roger on December 13, 2019, 04:04:46 PM
Very nice. Where will this go next I wonder?
Roger
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on December 19, 2019, 07:47:15 PM
Hi All,
Last post Roger asked where the next instalment would go.
Well this is the reveal.
I intend to make a Me262 Mistel, a two seat upper component and a 'bomb' lower component, together with a scratchbuilt take off dolly.
My inspiration came from a mix of the Dragon Me262 Mistel kit in 1/48, and a side view from the warbird tech book on the Me262, which shows the components together minus the take off dolly.
I was going to use the Retrokits conversion for a Me262 A-2a/U2  designed for the Eduard Me262 kit, but it was not readily compatible with the Trumpeter kit, also it was badly warped around the tail, and had actually had a partially broken fin. So, I decided to use the nose parts, canopies to the Trumpeter kit, but it meant removing the cannon detail and making a bare nose area ready to scratch build a nose compartment to match the Retrokit fuselage part.
So a bit of cutting and filing took place removing that nose detail, and then blanking off the rear of the bay. Whilst I was in the mood for cutting, I removed the locating points for top to bottom fuselage halves, and also the engine nacelles.
Some pictures follow:-
Bigkev 
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on December 20, 2019, 08:03:19 AM
Looking good, I seem to recall building one in 1:72 scale quite some years ago.
I like the concept.
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on December 20, 2019, 07:01:43 PM
Looking good, I seem to recall building one in 1:72 scale quite some years ago.
I like the concept.
Great stuff.

Hi Zak,
Thankyou for your comments. Perhaps I might be able to seek some advice/guidance from you as the build progresses.
I hope to have something looking like two Me262's albeit different by Christmas.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on March 21, 2020, 06:24:02 PM
Hi All,
Christmas has been and gone, and now we are in the middle of Coronavirus...…
However I've managed to return to the model bench, inspired by the 'Play Day 3'
So far I've now managed to make the 'bomb' component and the upper bomber controller components,
You may noticed that I've painted and decalled the cockpit of the upper, and painted the bomb aimers position in Tamiya German Grey, but with a gloss finish. This will help in the weathering painting, and I'll explain in next post.
The bomb component has had the gun ports, cockpit section, undercarriage, filled, sanded, and smoothed, ready to have the support struts fitted, prior to painting.
For now a few pictures:-
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on March 21, 2020, 07:52:30 PM
One up for "playday" - glad its got you back on line and modelling
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on March 21, 2020, 08:06:41 PM
One up for "playday" - glad its got you back on line and modelling

Playday wins....
Like Terminator, 'I'll be back'  oh, I forgot, I am...….
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on March 21, 2020, 09:07:31 PM
Good, get some modelling done.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 11, 2020, 01:24:53 AM
Hi All,
Managed to get the bomb aimers position painted and the new nose in place.
Had to put some Milliput inside the top part, as there was a slight gap between the Trumpeter kit and Retrokit conversion, and didn't want to sand through the part.
Also added a generous amount of 'Greenstuff' to the exterior to fill any gaps. You can see most of it was not needed, but better to err on the side of caution.
After sanding, most of the filler was 'sanded' away.
Now I need to start drilling holes for the support attachments, both on the upper and lower components.
Some pictures follow:-
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 11, 2020, 07:43:27 AM
Coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on April 11, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
looking good - will it fly ????
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 11, 2020, 01:24:40 PM
Nice work - looks good Kevin
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 13, 2020, 11:09:45 AM
Hi All,
Made a little more progress with this model.
Managed to get the supports for the two aircraft located, lined up, most difficult was the angled supports between the two aircfraft.
A little bit of filler/tidying up will be needed where I drilled some locating points but not in the right place.....
Some pictures of the aircraft so far, I have made a start on the Take off Dolly, and will post some pictures of this later.
Cheers,
Bigkev
 
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 13, 2020, 11:12:25 AM
That certainly is looking the part.
Mistel you too.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 13, 2020, 01:07:36 PM
Looks tricky.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: councilman on April 13, 2020, 06:06:57 PM
Amazing detail Kevin.
Well done.
Andy.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 13, 2020, 08:35:23 PM
Hi All,
Well as promised managed to do some work on the take off dolly.
The main body is Balsa, then skinned with thin plastic sheet, I also made up the axle box from plastic card, then drilled an accommodating hole, an axle then inserted and extra wide sponson's added to the axle.
Note as this was in 1/144th, to get an idea of the dimensions I printed off a dragon instruction sheet with a parts layout map, then scaled this up from a side view to the correct side, then components were then traced onto plastic sheet/balsa and cut out.
At the moment the axle is deliberately too long, and will be adjusted as the build continues. Next thing is to add some detail to the dolly, ribbing, rivets, hubs, support mounts, and RATO take off pack. The dolly is only shown as a set up at moment, and also the Mistel is placed onto dolly, just to check general layout. The Mistel will be horizontal and mounted on supports when nearer completion
I have added a 50p piece in the pictures for size.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 13, 2020, 09:05:05 PM
Nice bit of scratch building there, great technique and skill.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Wizzel on April 14, 2020, 11:12:09 AM
Splendid work Kev.  It'll make a great display when they're all done.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 14, 2020, 02:39:55 PM
Thanks Wizzel,
I hope so.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on April 14, 2020, 06:00:11 PM
Will they both be a similar colour or different Kevin ???????
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bob C on April 14, 2020, 06:56:46 PM
I admire anyone who can work in this scale, looks very good.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 14, 2020, 07:51:52 PM
Will they both be a similar colour or different Kevin ???????

Hi Msea,
Thanks. No, they will both be different.
The bomb component will be in primer/natural metal as it was intended to be expendable, the upper will have a full camouflage, with a slightly different nose colouring as it was an 'add-on' component to the normal airframe.
The take off dolly will be in RLM 02, or Grun Grau 74 have not decided yet.
But remember this is a 'what if '46' item so anything goes, I hope.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 18, 2020, 07:55:23 PM
Hi All,
Have been battling with the take off dolly today, and tomorrow will be ready to assemble it.
Have managed to add detail to the body, cut down the sponsons and created the upright supports on the wheel assemblies. Picture of all the bits from scratch shown.
Have made a RATO pack from a cut down Fw-190 drop tank, some plasticard and then re-assembled.
The upper and lower aircraft components have been sprayed with Mr. Surfacer 1500, which leave a great surface for painting. The lower bomb component was okay but noticed two blemishes on the upper, so these will need a minute bit of Green Stuff in each hole/gap, so another job tomorrow.
Some pictures follow:-
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 19, 2020, 07:11:45 AM
Some lovely scratch built pieces there, nice to see.
This is turning into a great bit of modelling.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Haddock on April 19, 2020, 09:12:16 AM
I think we could all do with a few lessons on how to be
clean, tidy and methodical.
Haddock.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 19, 2020, 09:38:08 AM
I think we could all do with a few lessons on how to be
clean, tidy and methodical.
Haddock.
Well, I certainly could!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Haddock on April 19, 2020, 09:54:37 AM
Me too!!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on April 19, 2020, 10:11:29 AM
I don't understand the concept !!!!!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 19, 2020, 11:28:26 AM
You just need instructions from your better half Martin.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Haddock on April 19, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
Isn't that known as "henpecked"
Haddock.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: councilman on April 19, 2020, 03:29:26 PM
Amazing detail for 1/144.
Andy.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 19, 2020, 06:34:37 PM
Hi Guys,
Thanks for your comments, much appreciated.
Well I've been getting stuck into the Take Off Dolly today.
I started off by completing the nose wheel assembly, it has a strange forward raking suspension unit, though the wheel forks go towards the rear. It will need a compression oleo later in the build.
One of my major issues with this dolly was that I needed to have two pairs of hands to manipulate the wheels the frames and the axle all at same time. So I made a jig out of Balsa to take the wheel axles, and an axle substitute. I could then lay the various parts on top of each other, sandwich between the outer frame and then glue.
Once done, I could assemble the dolly parts already prepared. This took a Long..... time, adjusting the axles, the supports, wheels, etc.
Eventually I succeeded, and managed to get the bomber component lined up. This then needed, two V shape supports from the dolly upper to under the wing. These were made from four lengths of aerofoil section plastic rod, set at an angle on a thin plastic card joining strip then superglued together, and dipped into Baking Powder (Thanks Zak) to make a really hard join. These were then sanded to a really thin section before cutting the arms to length. It took numerous attempts but I got there in the end.
At this point I did a dry run of the assembly just to check the angles, joins, alignment. I have noticed the starboard wing of the upper component need to be fractionally higher, which I will attend to once final assembly takes place.
The Dolly is 95% complete, it just needs axle covers, compression struts, some rivets and the RATO pack mounted an fitted.
Then it will out with the paint and decals...….
Some pictures of the above follow:-
Bigkev     
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 19, 2020, 09:06:20 PM
What a star, such perfection and in such a small scale - note to self borrow Kev's glasses, they must be better than mine.
Really impressive stuff, well done, I love it.
Dave
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Haddock on April 20, 2020, 05:56:22 AM
I want to know what he takes to maintain a steady hand, I could sure do with some.
Haddock.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Wizzel on April 20, 2020, 09:39:19 AM
Those pictures remind me of the CADs that companies like Airfix use to promote their new kits nowadays.  Fantastic work Kev.  1/144 has really come on in the last few years hasn't it.

What's the tip for baking powder and superglue from Zak?  I must have missed that one somewhere along the way.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 20, 2020, 09:51:17 AM
Those pictures remind me of the CADs that companies like Airfix use to promote their new kits nowadays.  Fantastic work Kev.  1/144 has really come on in the last few years hasn't it.

What's the tip for baking powder and superglue from Zak?  I must have missed that one somewhere along the way.
The superglue and baking powder form a really solid filler.
Apply superglue to the joint, add baking powder and repeat as needed, it can be filed and sanded and is really tough. Not original to me, I came across the method in Bill Horan's book on Panzer Modelling.
It also strengthens the joint, I use it mainly on plastic card.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Wizzel on April 20, 2020, 09:55:28 AM
Ah, thank you.  As it happens, I have plenty of baking powder as I tend not to buy self-raising flour and use plain with baking powder added.  And being as flour is hard to come by at the moment, I may as well put the baking powder to good use.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 20, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
Good tip that Dave. I'll make a note os that and raid tbe baking cupboard.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on April 20, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
Thanks for that -- have some baking powder but am very very short of flour -- only enough to make 2 more loaves.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Biggles on April 21, 2020, 10:47:45 AM
Wonderful modelling Kev!
Don't know how you manage to get such fine detail in such a small scale.
You do realise you have a ready-made article for IPMS Magazine there...
... I look forward to seeing it in print in the not toodistant future.

Respect, bruv,
Biggles
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 25, 2020, 05:53:26 PM
Hi All,
Thanks for your comments.
I have now got the rivets added, the RATO pack,  and its mounting.
Also have managed to give the model a unifying coat or Mr. Surfacer 1500.
To make the rivets, I used a tip from Zak in his WWI builds. I used Kristel Kleer and Green Food Colouring ( so I could see it!) applied little blobs on a fine piece of micro rod where I wanted them. I had to wipe off a few that were too big, in wrong place.
However I got there, and once covered by the Mr. Surfacer looked as I wanted.
Some Pictures follow:-
Cheers,
Bigkev

 
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 26, 2020, 07:37:16 AM
Really nice, great attention to details, I prefer red food colouring and a syringe, but each to their own.
This is going to be worth an article for the IPMS or one of the modelling magazines.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on April 26, 2020, 09:20:41 AM
As long as you DO NT use a syringe and disinfectant like somebody says !!!!!!!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: kiwichappers on April 26, 2020, 10:36:23 AM
Very fine work here Kevin plus a useful technique filed away for future work.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 26, 2020, 11:03:37 AM
Hi Guys,
Thankyou for your comments, much appreciated.
I'm in the process of painting now, but won't bore you with paint application.
I'll post when near to completion.
cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 26, 2020, 11:04:06 AM
Incedible detail Kevin. I agree with Dave - you have everything for that magazine article.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 26, 2020, 11:52:05 AM
Hi Guys,
Thankyou for your comments, much appreciated.
I'm in the process of painting now, but won't bore you with paint application.
I'll post when near to completion.
cheers,
Bigkev
I know you enjoy the painting process, I wish I did, it is not something I find easy.
Colour, a real nightmare.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: councilman on April 26, 2020, 03:25:28 PM
Looking forward to seeing it painted.
Andy.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Wizzel on April 27, 2020, 10:01:13 AM
Really nice, great attention to details, I prefer red food colouring and a syringe, but each to their own.
This is going to be worth an article for the IPMS or one of the modelling magazines.
I've been thinking of rivets lately too and was wondering how to do this.  What syringes do you use Zak and where do you get them?
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 27, 2020, 10:14:08 AM
Really nice, great attention to details, I prefer red food colouring and a syringe, but each to their own.
This is going to be worth an article for the IPMS or one of the modelling magazines.
I've been thinking of rivets lately too and was wondering how to do this.  What syringes do you use Zak and where do you get them?
I bought some a few years ago, on line, they came as small syringes with needles, sorry but I have no idea where from.
Know ant diabetics, they may let you have one or two?
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Wizzel on April 27, 2020, 10:37:33 AM
I do know some diabetics so will try them.  Great information, many thanks.  I heard some folk talk about using CA glue for rivets but I can  imagine it's a lot more forgiving with the crystal clear stuff. 
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 27, 2020, 11:48:51 AM
I do know some diabetics so will try them.  Great information, many thanks.  I heard some folk talk about using CA glue for rivets but I can  imagine it's a lot more forgiving with the crystal clear stuff.
I use PVA with colouring.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Wizzel on April 27, 2020, 12:46:19 PM
That's the spirit - much cheaper than that other stuff  :)
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on April 27, 2020, 02:42:15 PM
Our Zak is a good Yorkshire Man to the end
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Wizzel on April 28, 2020, 03:40:49 PM
He's even saving money on razors at the minute too :-)
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Wizzel on April 29, 2020, 09:47:39 PM

I bought some a few years ago, on line, they came as small syringes with needles, sorry but I have no idea where from.
Know ant diabetics, they may let you have one or two?
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I popped into our local pharmacy earlier and asked if they stocked them and if I was allowed to buy some.  After explaining why I wanted them, I was handed a sealed pack of expired syringes, needles, wipes, a sharps box and, strangely, some sachets of citric acid!!!! It's what they give the addicts apparently (Withernsea has it's fair share) so I must have looked desperate.  I did have my club hoodie on though so I guess I was at least part believable.  I shall let you know how I get on with the rivets.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on May 11, 2020, 06:19:09 AM
Hi All,
Well I've now completed this project. The cold weather yesterday allowed me time to give it the final push.
I have painted the model mainly in Aeromaster Acrylics, with the exception of the 'bomb component' which is Vallejo Duralumin.
The Dolly has been painted RLM 74 Graugrun then 'Kleered'. Once dry a wash of burnt umber oil paint heavily diluted with white spirit. Another coat of Kleer, then some generic decals to add a bit of interest, finally a coat of Vallejo Matt Varnish, with a very gentle dry bush of white oil paint to pick out the rivets, structure, etc
The Bomb component was in Vallejo Duralumin, which after its initial coat was a bit too bright, so I added a drop of Vallejo Air Dark Sea Grey, to another coat of the Duralumin, this was still bright but not as harsh. A coat of Kleer, some basic markings, and some dark grey decal strip around cockpit area to denote sealing strips.
Upper Control aircraft, I used RLM76, RLM 81a, and RLM 83. Cockpit masked with bare metal foil, nose canopies added at end, these being vac form. Decal from Trumpeter kit plus some additional numbers.
The two long nose probes, and pitot tube were last item.
Again model given Matt Varnish to seal.
Base is a made from Foam Board, railway scenic grass matting and cardboard. Grass got a little brown wash to denote usage and where the grass wood/concrete meet. A final thinned oil wash help to bring out the planking.     

To summarize this a model of a Me262 Mistel Combination, a paper project consisting of an upper Messerschmitt Me262A-2a/U2 together with a modified Me262A-1, all mounted on a reusable take off dolly.
Some pictures follow.
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on May 11, 2020, 09:01:07 AM
Excellent
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on May 11, 2020, 09:07:23 AM
That is really nice.
Love to see it in real life at some point.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on May 11, 2020, 09:50:55 AM
Really excellent Kevin. A really good and different model combination.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: kiwichappers on May 11, 2020, 11:25:56 AM
Lovely modelling Kevin, particularly impressive in such a tiny scale.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Kiteman on May 11, 2020, 05:23:07 PM
Very nice indeed
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on May 12, 2020, 06:38:18 AM
Hi All,
Thankyou for your kind comments, they are much appreciated.
I still intend to continue with the Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th, and have another 3 projects lined up which will be done as 'in-between' builds whilst I am doing my next project.

1. Me-262 A-1a/U3 reconnaissance version (converted)
2. Me-262 A-1a/U4 50mm Gun version (converted)
3. Me-262 'Lorin' proposed Ram Jet version (converted)
 
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Red Lancer on May 12, 2020, 06:53:21 PM
Great stuff!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 02, 2022, 06:24:55 PM
Hi All,
Well, I am returning to the Me262 in 1/144th, as a quick interim project between other bigger builds.
This one will be a Me262 A-1a/U3 Reconnaissance variant, using the Trumpeter kit as a basis and the Retro wings conversion.
This is intended for the Eduard kit, but should be reasonably easy to adjust to fit.
Some pictures follow:-
Bigkev
 
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 03, 2022, 07:22:35 AM
You seem to like the 262 and variants.
I shall be watching this develop.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 03, 2022, 02:29:08 PM
Should be good - a whole squadron of 262s.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 04, 2022, 08:31:04 PM
Hi All,
Well got stuck into this one over the last few days.
So far I have managed to get the cockpit painted and in place, the nose cut off and the resin replacement added. During the cutting process, I made a mistake removing a little too much. This was due to me not measuring correctly, and the fact I was using a Trumpeter kit rather than the recommended Eduard. (Since found out that Mark 1 Models use the Eduard mouldings so I may root some out)
Anyway a little plastic card, soon remedied the issue, followed by careful carving and filling.
whilst the nose was drying I assembled the engines, thinned down the undercarriage doors, tidied up all the other bits and pieces. Brought the engines and tailplane together with the fuselage/wings. The engine nacelles were filled with Deluxe Models Liquid Gravity and this was glued in place with some Mr. Gator PVA Glue. With the main components in place I just need to use some filler here and there.
Have then done a dry run with everything in place, to see if the model sits on its undercarriage, and it does!
Some pictures follow:-
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 04, 2022, 09:13:21 PM
Lovely, considering the size!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on April 05, 2022, 06:55:21 AM
Great
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 05, 2022, 01:15:22 PM
Looks the business Kevin.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 12, 2022, 08:15:34 PM
Thanks guys,
Been away this weekend so not done much on this one.
However, I have managed to give the model a coat of Mr. Surfacer 1500, and when dry a polish with a 8000 grit polishing cloth. Then I have painted the under surfaces with Aeromaster RLM 76 Licthblau.
Before painting the uppers, I needed to mask the cockpit canopy, for this I used Bare-metal foil. I attach a photo to show how small it is, compared to a 1p piece.
Bigkev   
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 13, 2022, 02:41:42 PM
Tiny!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 19, 2022, 07:21:42 PM
Hi All,
Moved on with this one.
The canopy was stuck in place using Gator Grip PVA Glue, and any small gaps filled with Vallejo White Putty, and the excess wiped away using a damp cotton bud, leaving a fine amount of filler in the gaps in a couple of places. I have then painted it using Aeromaster RLM 76 Litchblau, on the underside,  then after some masking a coat of Aeromaster RLM 80 Olivgrun on the upper surfaces.
Once dry I then applied a mottle of Tamiya Deep Green using both mottle masks, and freehand airbrush technique holding the airbrush very close to the airframe. Any areas where bleeding /overspray had occurred were touched in with the appropriate colour and a fine brush.
The wheel wells were then painted in RLM02 Grau, and a small section of fine Aluminium tubing cut to size and glued in place to represent the 30mm cannon at the extreme nose.
Next a coat of 'Kleer' and then some decals from the kit and spares box, followed by attaching the undercarriage, pitot tube.
Some pictures follow:-
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 20, 2022, 07:17:58 AM
Coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: MSea on April 20, 2022, 08:26:04 AM
Looking good Kevin
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 20, 2022, 01:14:52 PM
Great mottleing Kevin.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: cph64 on April 21, 2022, 04:01:33 PM
Compact and bijou!!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 23, 2022, 12:14:14 PM
Hi All,
Thanks for the comments.
Now glossed and almost fully decalled. Still need to add the camera ports under the nose from Black decal strip.
Some pictures:-
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 23, 2022, 12:49:07 PM
Small and beautiful.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 23, 2022, 03:01:46 PM
Very nice Kevin.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 23, 2022, 07:59:29 PM
Thanks Guys,
Off to 'Harrogate Spring Flower Show' tomorrow, so nothing more until Monday.
But, I have finished the decaling today, so final assembly is on the cards....
Cheers,
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on April 25, 2022, 11:03:09 AM
Hi All,
Now complete. Finished in a mix of Vallejo Matt/Satin varnish.
Masking removed and canopy cleaned with WD40.
Some pictures:-
Bigkev
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: chriswil42 on April 25, 2022, 02:22:27 PM
Small but nice. Well done.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: zak on April 25, 2022, 03:08:10 PM
Very nice - is the 50p for me?
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me262 in 1/144th
Post by: Bigkev on June 07, 2022, 04:36:52 PM
Hi,
Thanks for the comments.
And, 'No' the 50p is not for you, even though you are the Treasurer!
Bigkev