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Title: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 03, 2016, 12:59:29 PM
Here's the next project. I picked the kit up at Telford at a very attractive price, I don't think it's the most attractive or interesting looking ship but I suppose it should be in a collection of warships for completeness.
I've got the Trumpeter version which is differently engineered than the Airfix offering, according to Peter Hall, their both pretty accurate. IJN Mikasa ain't finished yet but I'm on with the sea which is a slow process so I can make a start on this one. The small picture shows the hangar and one of the boat-decks open.
More info to come later 

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: zak on January 03, 2016, 02:46:44 PM
As always I look forward to seeing your progress.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Kiteman on January 11, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
The start of another masterpiece.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 19, 2016, 12:45:56 PM
        Progress to date folks. This is going to be a "quick build" so I aren't faffing around detailing the hangar and R.I.B. bays. There's more detail than I thought there would be but it's not too bad to fit, just time consuming. All the brass you can see comes with the kit so it could be that there was no need for the Atlantic Models set, although some of it is nicer than the Trumpeter stuff so I'll probably use it for railings, ladders and safety nets just cos I've got it. The first three shots show the main sub-assemblies, the second three give some idea as to what it could look like when complete, lots more stuff to go on yet.
Haddock. 

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: zak on January 19, 2016, 03:19:30 PM
Keeping busy I see.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: OLVAR on January 20, 2016, 04:11:56 AM
Great build!
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Kiteman on January 20, 2016, 08:12:33 AM
Very clean work, a pleasure to see.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Wizzel on January 26, 2016, 11:04:22 AM
There looks to be a thin white stripe right at the bottom of the hull - is that a shim of plastic card you cut and sit the thing on for when you build the sea? 
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 26, 2016, 12:41:45 PM
Something like that. I don't always do it but in this case I've added it after water-lining the hull to stiffen everything up, it's quite fragile without the plate added. It also helps to keep the hull flat if added with the hull clamped to something flat. The secret is to make sure the cut is in the right place, if the hull bends when the lower part is removed, this usually corrects the problem. I do have another method when I need to get inside the hull to add stuff like rigging. Hope this all makes sense.
Haddock.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 26, 2016, 02:49:25 PM
Bit more progress folks, some paint sloshed on.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 26, 2016, 02:58:09 PM
I'm having trouble deciding which surfaces should be painted "deck colour" which should be "hull colour" and which should be black, I know Trumpeter's instructions are wrong.
I found a picture on an official MOD website. the pictures are in high definition so you can download free and blow them up with no loss of detail. Here is one picture blown up twice. As you can see, the detail is fantastic.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: zak on January 26, 2016, 05:52:38 PM
Great stuff, sloshing paint eh?
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 26, 2016, 09:58:51 PM
It's supposed to be therapeutic but I sometimes wonder.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: zak on January 27, 2016, 06:48:59 AM
Becomes more of a job than a hobby sometimes I think.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 27, 2016, 08:58:49 AM
No gain without pain!
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: zak on January 27, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
True.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Wizzel on January 27, 2016, 12:33:29 PM
We can use them pictures to make sure you've got your sea right an' all!
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Kiteman on January 28, 2016, 03:39:23 PM
Great work again.....like Wizzel, will be looking out for the sea!
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 29, 2016, 12:52:15 PM
I hope that's not a challenge.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: MSea on January 29, 2016, 12:57:09 PM
If it is, you are up to it.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 29, 2016, 01:12:39 PM
Here's a brave attempt to enhance some detail. all the watertight are in brass, it just doesn't pop out enough for my liking. The vertical ladders are so fine, they almost disappear under a coat of paint so I've replaced them with some generic stuff, cut too long then the ends folded over to lift them off the surface. Hope it works.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: zak on January 29, 2016, 02:05:26 PM
Difficult to tell from the photos, still the odd 10,000 of an inch means a lot to you engineers.
I am sure it will look superb.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 29, 2016, 04:26:28 PM
I'll be happy if it's passable. This is supposed to be a quick build.
Haddock.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Bigkev on January 29, 2016, 08:27:35 PM
It might be an intended quick build Haddock, but your attention to detail still shines through.
Great Stuff.
Bigkev

Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on January 31, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
         Bit more progress, the colours look a bit "in yer face" to me , need to knock 'em back a bit, probably some varnish tinted with paint should do the trick.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Wizzel on February 02, 2016, 10:51:56 AM
Sounds like another learning curve coming up.  Can you please give full details of the tinted varnish technique when you use it so I can compare before and after.  Cheers in advance.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on February 02, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
You just mix paint, say light grey, with the varnish, say 5%, then airbrush it on. the original colour is never obliterated cos the varnish is transparent so you can blast away till your hearts content. Mat varnish has the same effect but to a lesser degree and you may not want a dead matt finish. Satin varnish seems to work best, it has a unifying effect which can be quite subtle, the secret is to mess around on something that doesn't matter and see what happens.
Haddock
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: MSea on February 02, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
Thanks Haddock -- another tip put into the memeory banks.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on February 02, 2016, 12:12:38 PM
Here's one I did earlier, the photography isn't very good but you get the idea. It's a coat of black, a coat of Johnsons, then a hefty coat of satin varnish with a drop of light grey added, all done very quickly just so you can see the effect. I don't think this would work with brush painting but I've never tried it.
Haddock.
All the same piece of plastic, just different lighting.

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: zak on February 02, 2016, 03:18:05 PM
Your favourite colour I presume?
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Kiteman on February 02, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
A very interesting and useful technique, thanks for the demo and explanation.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Wizzel on February 02, 2016, 03:25:32 PM
Blimey, that was quick work.  Haddock, very many thanks.  This is what makes the website well worth a visit and, considering the standard of models on the table at meetings, it's very disappointing that more members don't make use of this forum to share advice and experience with the rest of us.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on February 04, 2016, 04:46:30 PM
Few more bits and bobs added, note the "sputnik" atop what is considered to be a mast, strangest looking mast I've ever seen.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Kiteman on February 05, 2016, 08:05:29 AM
Very clean work Haddock, including the mine on the chimney!!
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Wizzel on February 06, 2016, 08:24:07 AM
Seeing these builds progress, it's also interesting to note how the design has changed over the years.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on February 06, 2016, 08:49:43 AM
Blimey, that was quick work.  Haddock, very many thanks.  This is what makes the website well worth a visit and, considering the standard of models on the table at meetings, it's very disappointing that more members don't make use of this forum to share advice and experience with the rest of us.
Could you rephrase that, not quite sure what you mean.
Haddock.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on February 06, 2016, 08:54:51 AM
Seeing these builds progress, it's also interesting to note how the design has changed over the years.
Yeah. I'm hoping to display IJN Mikasa and HMS Daring alongside each other so you van see over 100 years of progress in warship design, (that's if I can get the generators to work).
Haddock.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on February 07, 2016, 03:26:47 PM
           Nearly there folks, just a few more bits and bobs to add.
Now then, whether to weather or not to weather, that is the question, whether 'tis nobler in the mind to slosh some washes on and suffer the slings and arrows of discontent when you wish you hadn't done it is nowt to do with Shakespeare and it would be best if he were to mind his own business.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Wizzel on February 08, 2016, 11:32:29 AM
Either way, weathered or not, there's no getting away from the quality of the build.  Much as I do like the older vessels with all their lumps, bumps, nooks and crannies the clean and modern look of this has an appeal too!
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: MSea on February 08, 2016, 01:04:43 PM
Haddock was Wizzel talking about me when he says old vessels with lots of lumps, bumps, nooks and crannies  --- I never knew he cared --( Ho Ho Ho )
On a different tack - another excellent model, how do you do it ????????
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Kiteman on February 10, 2016, 01:16:03 PM
The Germans have a word for your models, "Wahnsinn". I`ll let you look that one up.
Another excellent job my friend. I am with Wizzel with his opinion about old a new,(not you MSea) the ships. This is proof that to be good, a model is not reliant on the subject matter but the subject matter is reliant on the modeler.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on February 19, 2016, 04:19:49 PM
FINISHED !!

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Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: zak on February 19, 2016, 05:51:02 PM
Nice as always!
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: MSea on February 19, 2016, 06:32:24 PM
How do you do it ???????
Excellent as allways.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Haddock on February 20, 2016, 08:36:01 AM
Thanks gents.
Title: Re: BUILDING HMS DARING, TYPE 45 DESTROYER,
Post by: Wizzel on February 20, 2016, 05:10:48 PM
Lovely work haddock.  That head on picture looks very menacing!