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Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: zak on January 02, 2021, 12:48:19 PM
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The 1/56 figures are proving to be small and quite a challenge and so.........................
This is really me revisiting something from 10 or more years ago.
I painted 1/32 polythene figures and thought I would try again.
I was sure I would find something on here from years ago, but no luck so far.
I think the post from the past was part of the blog, and that is not available now.
I sold all my previous efforts as well.
Anyway, it is a voyage of rediscovery.
I can't remember which method worked best, so I will try again.
The figures come on a sprue and so have to be cut off.
The plastic is very slippery and does not respond to sanding and gluing can be a trial.
I could give you a chemistry lesson but I will refrain.
Once cut from the sprue they were washed with detergent and water and rinsed.
The mould lines were removed with a hot pin and some judicious work with a sharp blade.
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Looks like you've stepped back in time to the Romans.
By the way what glue do you use for these figures?
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Looks like you've stepped back in time to the Romans.
By the way what glue do you use for these figures?
I usually pin and try anything, nothing really works, a spot of superglue, but I am not sure that works.
The figures are from the Punic Wars and I only bought them to try out some techniques for future use. They are HaT 1/32 Italian Cavalry and Command, You get 8 horses and riders.
So the methods will be
1. Painted in a mixture of water PVA and acrylic white
2. Klear and Acrylic white
3 .Klear
4. Simple acrylic spray undercoat
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I think that I will adopt the following on a few figures and see how they wear,
Wash with detergent, rinse and dry.
Coat with Klear.
Coat with white undercoat, I like the way this makes its easier to see details.
Paint with Vallejo paints.
This is the progress to date with number 1 (see above for its treatment initially)
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Unless the paint falls off - another excellent job. I have had trouble with this type of material and now try to avoid it if I can.
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Didn't you use some of this type for Rourke's Drift?
I hope my messing about works.
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Looking good Dave. I have some figures to model later for another Vietnam diorama in 1/72nd.
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Looking good Dave. I have some figures to model later for another Vietnam diorama in 1/72nd.
I find them a bit small nowadays, wish I could get to something like Howards standard - some hope.
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In my limited experience your figures will be fine unless you play with them too much, then the paint will start to crack and flake off. Having said that, there maybe a type of etch primer out there that may help.
Great paint job by the way.
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In my limited experience your figures will be fine unless you play with them too much, then the paint will start to crack and flake off. Having said that, there maybe a type of etch primer out there that may help.
Great paint job by the way.
Any thoughts gladly accepted.
I think Loctite may have an available product - Polyolefin primer 770? But I have not come across any as yet.
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Well one completed and based, the paint has stuck ok, time will tell now.
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Your patience has paid off. Let's hope the paint isn't as impatient to fall off!
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Not bad at all Dave. Keep going.
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Looking good, certainly giving Howard some competition. I also have some figures to paint so all the tips have come in handy. I'd forgotten about using a hot pin on the mould lines.
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Well one completed and based, the paint has stuck ok, time will tell now.
They look really good .
I wonder how good this primer is...
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I have some Vallejo primers and they sort of form a plastic film over the model, they do not stick that well, but I may give it a go.
Paul from P&S Hobbies recommended using a proper detergent rather than washing up liquid and then a wash in isopropyl alcohol, I am trying this on the next 4 figures.
Cheers
Dave
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Next figure.
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Did the detergent and IPA wash work?
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Did the detergent and IPA wash work?
It did not seem any better or worse than other methods, I think you have to just decide what suits you best.
The detergent certainly seemed better than washing up liquid.
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Hi Zak,
Nice work, watching and learning the comparisons.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Well after these 4, I have decided to go with an airbrushed coat of Klear followed by a coat of matt white primer, this seems to work reasonably well, but only time will tell.
The completed figures are also given a coat of matt varnish.
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I've successfully used this stuff on Airfix 72/76 polythene figures. Bought it from a Wilko Automotive shop. It was very easy to flood the detail on such small figures and if I do anymore I'll decant and thin the primer for airbrushing.
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I've successfully used this stuff on Airfix 72/76 polythene figures. Bought it from a Wilko Automotive shop. It was very easy to flood the detail on such small figures and if I do anymore I'll decant and thin the primer for airbrushing.
Thanks for the tip.
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I've successfully used this stuff on Airfix 72/76 polythene figures. Bought it from a Wilko Automotive shop. It was very easy to flood the detail on such small figures and if I do anymore I'll decant and thin the primer for airbrushing.
I have the Halford's equivalent - I'll give that atry for my next figures.
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These figures are very toy like, lacking definition.
This is my effort so far.
The photos are cruel in the extreme.
They look better with the naked eye, well with my glasses on.
Sorry!
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These figures are very toy like, lacking definition.
This is my effort so far.
The photos are cruel in the extreme.
They look better with the naked eye, well with my glasses on.
Sorry!
Xxx tinted glasses then?
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These figures are very toy like, lacking definition.
This is my effort so far.
The photos are cruel in the extreme.
They look better with the naked eye, well with my glasses on.
Sorry!
Rose tinted glasses then?
Nasty!
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They look fine.
I can't help with the primer problem, I'm afraid.
Usually I use Halfords, but these days it tends to be thinned Humbrol, coloured to suit as an undercoat
Ive got more Humbrol enamel than Boyes!
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Looking good Dave. I have some figures to model later for another Vietnam diorama in 1/72nd.
I find them a bit small nowadays, wish I could get to something like Howards standard - some hope.
Thank you.
What brushes are you using?
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I use sable ones, and quite fine.
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Here are the Command set for the Prussians in the 7 years War.
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As far as primers go, nobody has mentioned Tamiya fine primer in the rattle can, it seems to stick to anything,
only problem is controlling it on small stuff, probably should be decanted into something first ready for airbrushing. Not sure what to use to clean the airbrush though.
Just a thought.
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As far as primers go, nobody has mentioned Tamiya fine primer in the rattle can, it seems to stick to anything,
only problem is controlling it on small stuff, probably should be decanted into something first ready for airbrushing. Not sure what to use to clean the airbrush though.
Just a thought.
Thanks Tony, I might see if I can get some, I have also had something called Rustoleum plastic primer recommended.
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The figures look good Dave.
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looks good to me Dave. I use Tamiya primer most of the time.
Bob c
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The figures look good Dave.
I think it is the close up shots that show up the problems.
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You get three of each figure in the packet.
I replaced the sword on one for something different.
I used contact adhesive and it appears to have worked.
The one in the middle is the original, the ones on each side were painted in a different way.
For the middle one I used proprietary products, Nuln oil and Vallejo washes.
For the others the shading was done with paint mixed and thinned, on these two the lining was with black ink, more in keeping with the model soldier painting, I think.
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They all look good. Can't tell any difference between them.
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All good to me as well - only thing the one in the middle looks like he has been on the RUM - YoHoHo
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All good to me as well - only thing the one in the middle looks like he has been on the RUM - YoHoHo
We all have.
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The other two groups.
Finished my trials now, so onto the main event.
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The main event will be something I did have a go at in the past.
This will be a revisit to the English Civil War and I have an idea that I may attempt a small diorama on the Siege of Scarborough Castle.
Here is a load of facts to lull you to sleep.
The English Civil War (1642-51)
I did find that I had to spend quite a lot of time trying to find out about the uniforms worn by either side during the civil war.
In the early part of the war, both sides tended to wear similar and troops could often only be distinguished by a coloured scarf, feather or laces. This presumably would have made fighting very difficult. A little later some kind of uniforms evolved and they appear to be still quite similar for both sides. The more you read the more you wonder how much changing sides went on.
Hull is quite famous as being at the forefront of the war. Hull was held under siege by Charles I as he wanted the armoury held within the city walls, so you see there is some local relevance. It also appears that Queen Henrietta landed and then stayed at Bridlington for a short time. Then in 1645 there was the siege of Scarborough Castle. Sir Matthew Boynton was involved in the latter stages after Sir John Meldrum was fatally wounded. Earlier he did survive a 200 foot fall down the cliffs.
I digress, back to uniforms, I have decided to build up a Parliamentary Army.
Regiments of foot comprised of between 800 – 1000 men, in between 6-12 companies. Each company had its own colours. The field colour could often be the same as the uniform. The flag would have the cross of St George in the corner and then other devices dependant on the company and its commander.
Companies consisted of pike men and musketeers, usually in the ratio of 1:3, but this could vary. I have decided to have a uniform coat of red; breeches could be red, brown, grey etc. Footwear will be brown. Stockings will be either red, white or grey with the leggings a darker grey. Belts were generally black or brown and they also wore leather bandoleers. Helmets of steel were often blackened to prevent rusting. Armour would also be steel again possibly blackened. Hats could be black brown or grey and caps and bonnets were also worn.
Officers generally wore their own clothing and a sash in the generals’ colours.
Let’s start with the first set from “A call to Arms”. Royalist V Parliament – 16 figures in various poses. The set comprises the following figures.
2 Officers
4 Sergeants with halberd
2 drummers
2 pipers
2 flag carriers, ensign or officer
4 musketeers
There are no painting instructions on the box, other than artwork showing a couple of soldiers.
I bought some of the Osprey books on the Civil war and very useful they proved too.
The figures have been washed in detergent and the mould lines removed, I found some plastic primer and applied this, it seems to stick no better than ordinary primer.
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This will be GOOD - love the attention to detail and the back story, as well as the history.
The only thing you have missed out about Scarborough Castle is the FACT that this was my first date with "she who must be obeyed" -- YoHoHo -- so I expect a couple of figures to show us in the background.
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Are these figures 1/32nd Dave?
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This will be GOOD - love the attention to detail and the back story, as well as the history.
The only thing you have missed out about Scarborough Castle is the FACT that this was my first date with "she who must be obeyed" -- YoHoHo -- so I expect a couple of figures to show us in the background.
Might have known Martin would be in this somewhere! Ho ho ho
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Are these figures 1/32nd Dave?
Yes, A Call to Arms.
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This will be GOOD - love the attention to detail and the back story, as well as the history.
The only thing you have missed out about Scarborough Castle is the FACT that this was my first date with "she who must be obeyed" -- YoHoHo -- so I expect a couple of figures to show us in the background.
I didn't you had been dating in the 17 Century,
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Yes I go back a long way -- YoHoHo -- could be something to do with the "painting of me" in the loft
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Yes I go back a long way -- YoHoHo -- could be something to do with the "painting of me" in the loft
Thank you, Dorian!
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Scarborough Castle Barbican is on hold until I eat another tube of Pringles.
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The things you have to do as a first class model maker - YoHoHo - if you need any help with the food aspect of this model I am always available to eat something.
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I hope you didn't pay more than £1 for these? I don't know how they can justify a so called full price of £2.50 and supermarkets can know them out for a so called half price of £1.25.
Incidentally, Pringles are known as public enemy number 1 as far as recycling goes.
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Really looking forward to this!
Osprey books are an essential item. I always get relevant ones to
assist with whatever is ongoing!
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Yes Osprey are my go to for uniform info when doing a figure
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Really looking forward to this!
Osprey books are an essential item. I always get relevant ones to
assist with whatever is ongoing!
I have the ones on the English Civil War.