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Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: Red Lancer on December 21, 2020, 11:10:14 AM
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This is the next project.
54mm Templar and Saracen.
The Saracen is by Pegaso, white metal and the Templar is resin by Altidores studio.
(The change from 90mm Samurai to 54mm may well be a challenge for the eyes!!)
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The clothing on the Saracen will be a challenge - to me it would be impossible but you will do it well I am sure.
Looking forward to seeing this one progress.
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This should be good.
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This gets complicated but here goes:
Those that were at the last Nerd Day may recall that I was toying with
the saracen/templar models then, but decided that scales etc were dubious
so put them aside and went on to do the Samurai!
Picked them up recently and moved on, see Pic 1.
The original thoughts were correct, the Knight figure is pretty poor really.
Anyway, in the meantime, another Knight was discovered, wearing a Great Helm, using Lance etc.
Additionally, he is twisted to his right, which will be better in the final positioning,
So I got it and moved on, see pic2
The quality of detail on the latest one is far superior to the first!
However!!! I then decided that the horse looked small,( here we go again) and raked amongst the spares
box to find the original Knight See pic 3 to see comparison horses.
So I am now using the original horse with the replacement knight, see pic 4.
I said earlier that the quality of detail on the second model is superior to the first. This is especially true in the area
of the horses head, which is very noticeable. So, I am now attempting to sculpt in some more detailing, particularly
around the eye area. you can see the early attempts at this in the pics, but it has moved on but no photos as yet.
This is the fist time that i have attempted sculpting something in such a visible area. I did seriously consider
chopping and using the other head!......anyway, we will see how it goes!
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The clothing on the Saracen will be a challenge - to me it would be impossible but you will do it well I am sure.
Looking forward to seeing this one progress.
Martin, during research etc. for this lot I came across several pictures of this Saracen model!
Unbelievable! I just can't imagine HOW they have done it! Repeat patterns are extremely difficult
(for me, at least!) to maintain consistency
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Looking excellent already Howard.
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Complex or what?
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Complex or what?
Just wait till he gets paint on it as well - looking forward to seeing this Red
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Looks good already can’t wait for more updates.
Bob c
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Complex or what?
The ones I was looking at were extremely complex i terms of both using
relatively small repeated patterns on such areas as capes, and also complex
linear, far more complicated than stripes.
I will see if I can manage to copy and post them on here: a) if they will let me;
b) if my computer skills can manage
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Looks good already can’t wait for more updates.
Bob c
YEP!
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The sculpting of horses heads is a damn site harder than painting them!
The pics show my efforts at improving the thing. The green coloured stuff
is Milliput. I did around the eyes, made new ears and improved the muzzle (he says!).
It does look better in reality than on the pics. (I borrowed Dave's rose tints, Chris!)
I think, overall, it is better than it was, but not by much!
I read somewhere ages ago that you should use a wet brush to smooth over
Milliput. If you leave it too long it has no effect, too soon and it softens all the edges! Ask me how I know!
Anyway, we'll slosh some paint on!
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Hi Red Lancer,
The horse looks happy, despite his cosmetic improvements.
A learning curve, but it looks you are very much ahead of it!
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Have you tried the 2 part epoxy green stuff?
It might work better.
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Horse is looking good.
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It does look good.
Bob c
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Now your a model sculptor 8).
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Coming along nicely. It will be another masterpiece when finished,
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I have made some progress, but no pics as yet.
However, I did say I would post some pics of the Saracen model I found
on 'tinternet whilst doing research etc..
This thing is 2.25 in. tall.
I have absolutely no idea how!!!!!....
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The quality of painting just blows my mind
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There are some very talented people out there.
Haddock.
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Having worked, well been around horses most of my life I can tell you their physiology is as varied as humans so I wouldn't fret over the look of the head. There's beautiful elegant ones and down right ugly nasty ones. As for that Saracen, very impressive as a model and also if the fabrics represented by the model are true then the weavers/embroiderers who made them were also very talented people.
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I wish I could paint figure half as good, no idea how and not got the patience.
Bob c
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The quality of painting just blows my mind
And mine. Magic.
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Excellent figures.
Wish I could achieve a result as half as good....!
Bigkev
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WOW! :o
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Exactly!!!!
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C'mon Red,
Show us yours.
Bigkev
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C'mon Red,
Show us yours.
Bigkev
I told you mine are rubbish! It is sort of disheartening when you see stuff like that1
Think it might be cross-stich next!
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I have been doing 2steps forward and 2 1/2 back recently.
The pics show the Arab at current state. The face is done but not the turban.
I did a simpler method of face painting on this, that I tried once many years ago.
I remember being not to keen then but it's not too bad this time! I wanted a sort of swarthy skin
and this is not quite there, but it will do!
I wanted the lower green skirt thing to be silk/satin looking but better than varnish effect,
so it is painted with Humbrol Mettalic green. Shading was done with mixes of metallic blue and red.
I'm not sure it has worked, not even sure it is better than varnish. It has made it damn difficult to try and paint patterns over it!
The horse; after having sorted the head ( thanks for your comments Francis!) I did legs etc and then undercoated the body
The plan is for the top half (Flesh colour) to be Black and the lower white. There were a few casting faults I noticed that I
noticed, (and a few I didnt) that I thought would be ok when painted. Stupid and wrong. Shading white is always a trial for me
and having spent the last two sessions making a mess ( see pics).it's back to the start. I will sort the casting stuff
and start sanding paint. If it was metal it would have been paint stripper!
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They look great to me Howard
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Looking very good Howard. The metallic green works well. What meterial is the covering on the horse - it looks excellent.
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They look cracking to me.
Bob c
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Brilliant work Howard.
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As ever your paintwork amazes me. Even your failures are better than my best efforts.
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Wow,, as ever great work Howard.
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Hi Howard,
Brilliant stuff, by the master.
Cheers,
bigkev
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Couple of pics of not much progress.
These two are becoming a bit of a challenge. they were basically intended
to be quick and easy, then I saw those things on the tinternet, and so did you lot.
posting them may well have been a mistake!
Anyroadup, the Saracen is basically working from the legs up,(head nearly finished though)
The lighter blue skirt ? thing is awaiting some form of pattern being applied, but then bow cases and quivers will
hide it, so so it will be a bit of free practice.
The horse white/ shading is a lot more subtle than previous and looks better for it. Not sure it shows up on the photos,
the next stage on the horse is the black over the flesh colour undercoat.
Tomorrow may well be the blue pattern. Then the big cape on his back....NO hiding that!
Good (hopefully) couple of months to go yet!
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Masterful painting skills.
Keep up the good work.
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Yot attention to detail is really something.
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Looking really excellent Howard.
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I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again I wish I had the skill to paint figures half as good.
Bob c
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I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again I wish I had the skill to paint figures half as good.
Bob c
Thanks Bob, but it is a lot easier than you think, otherwise
I couldn't do it!
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A few pics of the current state of play:-
The horse is well on way, the "black/ white" line needs tidying where some of
it crept under the masking! ( Get me! masking! Will be using Rattle Cans next!)
Maybe should have got Chris to do it? The highlights need a bit of attention also.
The Templar cloak is only U/Coat at the moment....more shading white!
I had a go at a pattern on the Saracen, see pics, and learnt a few things:
1 its difficult !!
2 I hadn't thought it through properly...nothing new there!
I was painting the dark line over the lighter "base" ,so I was painting the line and trying to define the shape of the
patterns at each side, effectively (not!) trying to define 3 things at once.
Anyroadup,,although it is far from good most of it is hidden when complete, so it will do.
So I will have another go on the cloak on his back, this time painting a pattern, on piece at a time over the base
It is, also, less sculptured so that should help.
I hope that made sense
Additionally, you may notice that his right foot is missing... but that is a tale for another day!
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As always, great attention to the details.
Not foot loose and fancy free then?
Super work.
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Its looking excellent Howard.
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Remarkable painting again. I love the paintwork on the horse, it gives it depth and life.
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The missing Foot! :- Normally one of the first tasks on metal figure is to pin
through the feet/legs to provide a positive fixing when fixing to the base.
For some reason this didn't happen this time and I just located a handle in
in the nether regions. Eventually sense prevailed and I got round to it last week.
It is never a good Idea to take a Dremel to a painted model!
Anyway, as I drilled in I thought that looks a bit shaky, so I stopped and let it relax,
tried the depth and thought " just a bit more", as you do! Soooo.. as this was progressing the leg,
foot and drill parted company!
I heard something strike the glass of the picture a couple of feet above my head and fly off at about 6000rpm.
As is my want in such circumstances, I sat in quiet contemplation and equilibrium whilst the absolutely shocking language died down!
That could have gone ANYWHERE, so ,in anticipation of a long painful search, I put most of the gear away and went for coffee.
I managed to talk my wife into helping search ( on promise of a new pair of shoes!)
As I was starting to search, my Wife went into the Bathroom, (as they do), whereupon there was a cry "Is this it?"
And there it was! Sitting on the bathroom floor !It had bounced off the wall, behind me, through the bedroom door
and into the bathroom, about a total of 6/7 ft..
Lucky or what?.... But then :-
]THERE'S NO CARPET MONSTER IN THERE!
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You lucky devil you - and no harm to man nor beast - hohohho
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A real horror story - but with a happy ending.
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Go and buy a lottery ticket quick!!
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You were very lucky Howard. Well done!
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Your a lucky man.
If this had happened to me, I would have found it at 3 o'clock in the morning whilst going for a 'jimmy'. OUCH!!! :'(
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Hi Howard,
At least you found it (Positive),
Cost you a pair of shoes (Negative)
But a great looking model thus far, despite the excitement.
Bigkev
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Here goes for a few pics and update, boring stuff first:
Horse: most of it is done, mainly awaiting stickers froom daughter
then tidying up, dirty/ weather bottom of caparison, reins etc and put rider on back!
Templar: pretty much same as horse, dirty cloak, scratch lance is made but not painted
shield looks to be a bit white!!!, will probably tone down a bit and weather, Sticker required,
will see if have got a couple of arrows to stick in it
Base thoughts: It's a bit chunky! It could do to be only half the thickness really, but nothing I can do about that.
May well have to get a bit creative with the Horse base as it doesn't seem to want
to fit on the rest of it. Tomorrow's job!
Saracen: The pics you see here I would normally have declared finished, as painting, just the
bits to be stuck on. But I have had a go at patterns. I learnt something.....my limitations
I have had a couple of goes since the last pic..... both got washed of halfway through, didn't waste
time with pics. Have had another go today, simpler,....but it diid not go well, far from it! Anyway,
It's in the airing cupboard but I'm not happy with it....we'll see?
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It all looks really good to me.
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Looking excellent Howard.
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How do you do it so well Howard.
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I'm mightily impressed Howard. The face of the Saracen is amazing. I've had it up to nearly life size on my screen and it looks like a photograph of a living and breathing Saracen.
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I agree with Kiwichappers,
How you manage the facial expressions so vividly is beyond me.....
cheers,
Bigkev
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Excellent.
Bob c
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I'm mightily impressed Howard. The face of the Saracen is amazing. I've had it up to nearly life size on my screen and it looks like a photograph of a living and breathing Saracen.
Thanks Francis!....if it has passed being blown up to that size
it is more by luck than management! Good to know though, thanks!
I just wish the stuff on the back was anywhere near passable. Planning on
another go at that tomorrow.
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Hi guys!.... afraid I've not been well, still aren't really! Side effects of drugs to control side effects of other drugs ad nauseum!
I've got a few pics I took when I did some for Bill's Virtual table, so will put them on (If I can remember how!)
I have not touched them or a paint brush since then.
All the bits are located with BlueTack only as it is usually better to fix the big bits, horse etc
and then with riders, lances, heads etc ensure to get them lined up, looking at each other and all that.
The last thing I did was put on the "Home Made" stickers (Templar Crosses). They now need to be overpainted, but will have to wait a while as hands are still bit shakey!
And as for the Saracen Cloak....maybe that is what brought it all on!... Lost for ideas... it's not finished at this stage, but don't know the way forward, short of overpainting as plain colour.....Maybe will get inspiration....Allah Akhbar
Have just received another set of pills which, hopefully, should put me back to normal(nearly) in couple days, so may be able to start again.
Off now to spend the rest of the day catching up on the site.
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They look absolutely Brilliant Howard
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Superb Howard.
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Just Stunning Howard!
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Lost for words - well nearly!
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I have to agree with all of the comments, absolutely brilliant.
Bob c
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I can't add anything to the comments above......
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Thanks for the comments Guys
Have started to do a bit again.
Still no inspiration for the Saracen Cloak though!
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Dynamic and stunning.
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Had a disaster day with these two a couple of weeks ago
so have had time out!
Picked up recently and have admitted defeat on patterned cloak.
Still progressing but heading for the shelf of shame!
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How can a model of this excellence be destined for a shelf of shame??
I wonder at your skill Howard, at every instalment you post.
I'm sure after a break, your Mojo will return and you will achieve the finish you desire.
Bigkev
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Hi Howard, sorry to hear about your ill health, you have mys sympathy, I am suffering as well,
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Had a disaster day with these two a couple of weeks ago
so have had time out!
Picked up recently and have admitted defeat on patterned cloak.
Still progressing but heading for the shelf of shame!
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Keep at it Howard.
Your modelling skills are superb.
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At long last I have managed to get it finished.
It turned into something of a nightmare!
Hopefully there are some pics below if I can remember how to do it.
It took a while for me to remember how to resize them!
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Its amazing Howard - action displayed at its best, well done that man
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So pleased you have found the enthusiasm to finish these figures, they are really full of energy and of course and excellent build.
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Superb as always.
I look forward to seeing the real thing.
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Lost in admiration.
Haddock.
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Surely another competition winner!
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Fantastic Howard. Superb painting to bring out the modelling of the figures.
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Thanks for the comments.
Unfortunately, I lost patience with this, largely due
to my inablity to paint the patterns I wanted. However, it
looks a lot better in pictures than reality! Trust me!
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Absolutely speechless with this.