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Title: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on June 15, 2014, 05:35:06 PM
                                                 



                                                        WATCH THIS SPACE !!!!
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on June 15, 2014, 06:33:03 PM
I am, not much to see, its a load of space?
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on June 16, 2014, 08:00:47 AM
How observant you are!
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on June 16, 2014, 05:26:17 PM
                                                             Hope you're still watching!
     Here's episode one, water-lined and some of the main structure prepped, nothing is fixed except the hull halves and the internal bracing. Now the fun starts, some of the etched brass needs fixing early on in the build, things like watertight doors and gussets( I do like fixing gussets). These are easy to fix, just lop em off the fret and fix with Johnson's for the doors and superglue for the gussets.
      All the brass frets have a thin self-adhesive film protecting each side, you can cut away the film each side before removing the part leaving the rest of the parts still protected. Nice touch I thought.
There are 3 frets but I've only shown 1, I'm about to remove part 20, it goes on the funnel.
Haddock

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on June 17, 2014, 09:11:00 PM
Gussets, gussets, gussets and a funnel for good measure.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on June 25, 2014, 06:06:56 PM
Here's a bit more work in progress, this sort of thing could make you seriously brassed off !!
Off on holiday on Friday, see you when we get back.
Haddock.


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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on June 25, 2014, 06:38:10 PM
Here's a few more.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on June 26, 2014, 03:42:57 PM
Coming along nicely.
Have a good holiday.
Dave
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on June 26, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Cheers, my eyeballs need a rest.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Wizzel on July 10, 2014, 08:37:18 AM
Wowser yowser.  It's lovely to see this work in progress Haddock.  I've always admired your finished ships but to see one come together is a bit of a treat.  I've never worked with brass before and putting something like this together would be an achievement to strive for.  Keep us updated as this goes on PLEASE.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 10, 2014, 10:06:58 AM
Watch this space Wizzel.
Haddock.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on July 11, 2014, 07:27:55 PM
You'll never get it finished if you spend so much time in Croppers!
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 11, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
Tell-tale!
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 12, 2014, 11:03:25 PM
Here's a few more, just for Wizzel.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 13, 2014, 11:33:53 AM
And here's the main topmast mounted in position.There is yet a radar antenna to fix to the topmost vertical piece above the platform . It looks a bit like a telly aerial.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on July 13, 2014, 01:34:43 PM
Time you did something else ok, great haddock.
How about fishing, cos you are far too goo at this.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 13, 2014, 03:47:36 PM
Here's a couple of pictures of the foremast with the radar lantern in place. There should be something inside the lantern but I've no idea what it looks like.
( all held together with goo)
Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Wizzel on July 14, 2014, 10:38:10 AM
It's real inspirational stuff seeing it that close.  I can feel the tug of the waves now - "come on, build a ship, it's easy!"  Well, they're not fooling me!  I shall continue to watch this one progress for now.  Wonderful stuff haddock, thanks.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on July 14, 2014, 04:11:58 PM
I think you have lots of little specialist tools hidden away that you don't tell us about.
Remember I have seen your fingers!
The slipway stuff was/is fantastic.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 14, 2014, 04:44:47 PM
75% thinking, 25% doing!
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 14, 2014, 07:52:46 PM
Getting ready to plant some sea.
     This one will be at anchor if all goes to plan, so calm water, perhaps some ripples, hence the picture frame.
Haddock.
 I may have to use some goo.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 15, 2014, 02:35:20 PM
The Red Sea?

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Bigkev on July 15, 2014, 09:15:35 PM
Hi Haddock,

Been a bit pre-occupied to catch up with progress. It looks great, nothing less than I expect of a man of your engineering and modelling capabilities!

Tell me, Did HMS Roberts actually go to the Red Sea, or is it a RED HERRING!!

Good Stuff though, really good!

Bigkev
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 15, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Not sure whether it's a red herring or a pink sardine, it certainly ain't a blue haddock.........yet!
The nearest it got to anything red was the Indian ocean.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on July 16, 2014, 07:36:30 AM
Well, well what a bunch of wags you are.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 16, 2014, 07:56:07 AM
No need to be rude!
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 16, 2014, 06:09:12 PM
Snakes and ladders ( the snakes are hidden in the long grass ).

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on July 17, 2014, 07:39:43 AM
Snakes?
Lots of reptiles watching no doubt, or will they be little fishes?
Great stuff Haddock.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 17, 2014, 11:54:45 AM
It's nearly going to plan, however this shouldn't have happened, it didn't happen with the Suvorov but I've use more clay and the temperature is higher so that could explain it. There's no harm done until the ship is fixed into its cavity, probably some filler will fix it.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 17, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
It looks horrible but a few coats of Johnsons then a coat of paint of a suitable colour,all should be fine.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Bigkev on July 18, 2014, 02:29:46 PM
Hi Haddock,

I am sure it will look great. In fact those who are not aware of the problem won't even know its there, it only us modellers who criticise and see our faults rather more than the onlookers.

Keep going matey.

Bigkev   
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 19, 2014, 05:05:10 PM
Not bothered about the appearance, it's just that there's clay, filler, super-glue and Johnsons up to now, on top of that will be paint and two sorts of acrylic gel,not sure how all these different products will react with each other. I'm doing a dummy run first of course.
Haddock.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 23, 2014, 08:39:43 PM
Bet you all thought I'd gone to sleep.
Managed to get some paint sloshed on. Not quite sure about the colours though, here's the story.
     In July 1945,HMS Roberts left Liverpool after a quick refit. As the war in Europe was over, she was despatched to the Indian Ocean to take part in the war against  Japan. With the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima and the surrender of the Japanese,she was no longer needed and was ordered home for paying off, a journey of some 16,000 miles with not a shot fired in anger.
     During the refit, her AA armament was upgraded by the addition of eight 40mm single Bofors, some of the 20mm twin Oerlikons were removed to accommodate this change. This is the weapons fit as provided by Trumpeter, however,Trumpeter would have you believe that with this weapons fit, she would be wearing an Admiralty light disruptive camouflage scheme. With a great deal of help from Tony Wilson, we have discovered that she was painted a very light colour, probably light grey, there is a picture in one of Tony's books that would confirm this. The picture is taken as she was passing through Malta on her way home. There are a couple more shots taken round about the same time and the colour is light grey, so don't argue or you'll be in bother!

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Bigkev on July 24, 2014, 07:18:24 AM
Hi Haddock,

Looking good!

I will not argue with you regarding colour, for two reasons..................................

I know that you and Tony Wilson will have pawed through every available reference to check!

The other is, your not as tall as me, whereas Tony Wilson is, so by my reckoning I could get a real good bashing at varying height levels, not something I want to risk!!

Joking apart, a truly great build, enthralling, informative and entertaining, will it be making an appearance soon at the club?

Brilliant stuff,

Bigkev 
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 24, 2014, 03:32:16 PM
Hello Kevin and anyone else who is watching.
      Probably won't make an appearance till it's complete, don't want to tempt fate. Meanwhile,here's some more, the foredeck is starting to look busy, still more detail to add.
      I have had some problems with paint, I'll put something on the forum a bit later.
                Enjoy, and may the bird of paradise fly up your nose.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on July 25, 2014, 07:12:56 AM
Still watching, but babysitting and entertaining duties are still getting in the way of modelling etc.
You have been a busy little engineer haven't you?
Dave
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 25, 2014, 10:18:08 AM
       Know what you mean about entertaining. we are due to have relations shortly so I have special permission to make hay while the sun shines, cost me a bit in flowers though.
     Apart from problems with paint, it seems to be going well though I had trouble with a gritty finish and airbrush blockages. I've put it down to contaminated paint, my own fault.
      I mixed light grey and white for a very light grey ( AP507C Admiralty light grey ) I added some light grey blue to get rid of the chalky appearance, all mixed in a clean glass bottle. I thinned it for airbrushing ( all were model-air colours ). Initially, it air-brushed beautifully although it was a little too thin for brush painting,  multiple coats worked fine.
     I think what has happened is when the bottle was open for brush painting,a thin skin formed on the surface of the paint, when I shook the bottle again,the skin was broken up and dispersed into the paint. Model-air does dry very quickly.
      I suppose the only way to prove this is to mix two lots, model-air for air-brushing and model-colour for brush painting.
       Or I could just plod on with what I've got and try something different next time. 
     
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 30, 2014, 04:53:21 PM
         The size of some of these parts is getting beyond a joke, this one is 6mm high, wish I knew what it was. At least I don't have to worry about brush-marks!

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 30, 2014, 08:57:36 PM
          Phew! getting that fighting top looking something like was testing, needed a few dry runs before committing to glue. Starting to look more like Roberts now. Still a long way to go. If it's painted, it's stuck in place.
         Need to practice taking decent pictures.
  Haddock.
    something looks wonky on no 4, must be the perspective.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on July 30, 2014, 09:06:28 PM
Just keep it all in perspective.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 31, 2014, 12:31:29 AM
I would if I knew what it meant, that came from the grand-daughter!
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 31, 2014, 04:41:05 PM
Here's another mind-bender.............................................that's it fitted!

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 31, 2014, 05:29:45 PM
And if that's not enough, here's another instrument of torture.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on July 31, 2014, 09:27:53 PM
Something a bit bigger for a change.See the difference.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 01, 2014, 03:50:45 PM
I suppose that's not a bad weeks work, my staff probably deserve some praise and a small bonus, not too much though, don't want them getting ideas above their station.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on August 01, 2014, 04:12:05 PM
Green with envy.
My modelling is still on hold.
Daughter, husband and granddaughter have just arrived for the weekend.
You have been a busy little ship-builder.
Looking forward to seeing the finished product - will it be in the Maritime competition?
If so, I may not bother.
See you Monday night no doubt.
Dave
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 06, 2014, 06:45:35 PM
                    Good meeting on Monday chaps, well done to Tony W.
     Not a lot of progress this week up to now, need to get the crew motivated, might try threats of redundancy, see if that works.
     You need to look closely to see the changes.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 07, 2014, 04:10:26 PM
Sorry for the blurred images, you should see some railings and ladders, plus some radar antenna whose parentage is open to question!
   Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Bigkev on August 07, 2014, 08:41:01 PM
Hi Haddock,

Nice work, and I CAN SEE the railings and ladders!

Good tip with the close up pictures on Monday night. I will give that a try.

Looking good, green with envy...........................

Wish I was one step behind you skillwise.

Bigkev
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 07, 2014, 09:20:58 PM
The secret is to employ good staff then keep their noses to the grindstone.
Haddock.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 07, 2014, 09:40:46 PM
Here's a bit better pic of the radar antenna, the colour is horrible but you can't have every-thing.
   Haddock.
These photo's don't half show up the naughty bits, good job though,now I can do something about it.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 10, 2014, 06:54:05 PM
Here's a bit of rigging going on. Yard lifts and braces don't quite look right, not really tight enough, still, it will have to do.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 10, 2014, 07:10:08 PM
This is what it looks like with some of the AA guns added, you need to look closely to see 'em.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 12, 2014, 09:39:39 PM
Now we have some signal halyards................and a funnel grill.
 This week, starting Saturday, we're having relations for six days so modelling will have a back seat!
Haddock. ( fed up from Saturday)   

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 13, 2014, 02:20:40 PM
Hope your not getting bored with all this drivel, I get worried when I don't see any rude comments.

           Some of these small parts are a test of manhood, I've probably failed.

AA armament fully fitted now plus most of the radar. The last bit goes on top of each mast and will have to be scratch-built, Trumpeter have got it horribly wrong.
Haddock.

Getting as much done as I can before we have relations!

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on August 13, 2014, 05:53:39 PM
I don't like to think of you having relations/
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 14, 2014, 12:26:28 AM
wear's me out at my age, relations that is. Especially for a week.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 16, 2014, 09:47:29 AM
Here's a bit more detail, that bent wire will have to go!
Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 16, 2014, 10:38:32 AM
           I think that looks better, it's actually where the A frame should be when not in use, can't find any images of it deployed, I'm sure Tony. W. will enlighten us in the fullness of time.
           The camera is proving to be a useful modelling tool, it picks things up that you can't see with the naked eye, or at least, I can't.
           Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 26, 2014, 09:42:14 AM
That's relations over for another year, I'm suffering from nervous exhaustion.
Made some progress, still lots to do.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 26, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
Here's one half of the type 279 radar, the other half is on top of the main-mast. The proportions aren't right and it looks a bit clumsy but it might have to do, it does show the main features of the system. If at first you don't succeed, blame someone else.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: zak on August 26, 2014, 12:12:14 PM
I always do, but it never seems to work.
I have something for the maritime contest so don't fret.
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on August 26, 2014, 12:48:03 PM
Seems a shame to spoil the effect but now this water needs some ripples.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Bigkev on August 26, 2014, 03:09:30 PM
Hi Haddock,

Never mind, 'Still' it looks good, ripples or not!

Bigkev
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on September 04, 2014, 08:02:38 PM
At the risk of being a boring old fart, I think it's done so this will be the last post on building HMS Roberts, hope you've found it entertaining.
Haddock.

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Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Bigkev on September 04, 2014, 08:32:50 PM
Hi Haddock,

I have enjoyed every instalment, the great pictures, and the skill you exude.

Can we have another one soon please, perhaps after you have picked up a 'bargain' at Our Show this weekend?

Great Stuff, and NO your not an 'Old Fart', just a great modeller.

Bigkev 
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on September 04, 2014, 09:51:29 PM
what does exude mean?
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Bigkev on September 05, 2014, 06:46:08 AM
It means dear Haddock,

to release slowly, with quality

Bigkev
Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Kiteman on September 24, 2014, 03:06:49 PM
Doing some catching up on the site and came accross you work. Very fine indeed sir, worthy of much praise and I wish that I was half as good!

Title: Re: Building HMS Roberts
Post by: Haddock on September 25, 2014, 09:26:27 AM
Aw shucks, there's no need for all that, now I'm embarrassed!!but thanks anyway.
Haddock.