Bridlington & Wolds Scale Model Club Forum
Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: Haddock on January 09, 2015, 02:54:20 PM
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I love my family, this is the type 23 Frigate HMS Montrose (F236)
Haddock.
Brass ordered from Atlantic Models ( Peter Hall ).
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Is this another Christmas present.
Are you becoming like me and working on several models at once Tony?
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Another Xmas prezzy, bought with vouchers.
Unfortunately, I don't have room to work on more than one model of any reasonable size at a time, as you know, my work-space is a bit cramped so I have to put every-thing away before changing models, bit of a pest.
Haddock.
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Started yesterday, Mon 6th July. It's going to be done OOB, no faffing around doing research, just chuck it together and slosh some paint on, it'l have to be water-lined of course but that's it, no messing.
Here's some pics of the real thing, plastic to follow.
Haddock.
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There's some very nice plastic in this kit, I hope the brass is as good. Not long before sub-assy's start to appear ready for painting and plonking in place.
Haddock.
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Here's the brass, the small fret comes with the kit, the large one is from Atlantic Models (Peter Hall). At least if I screw up with some of it I have some spares to go at.
Haddock.
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I don't think that will be the case knowing your work..........
Another 'Modern' ship this time around, nice..........
Bigkev
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I wish I could "chuck it together" and "slosh some paint on" like you can !!!!
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me too! That brass looks very scary to me.....all too fiddely!
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Faint heart never won fair lady!!
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True Haddock..........................
But none of us are ladies.............................except Janice, that is!
Bigkev
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Did the brass measure up to your expectations in the end?
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Far too early to tell, you don't really find out till you start hacking it up and bashing it around to fit the plastic, then the fun starts.
Haddock.
Watch this space!!
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Here's a bit of brass-bashing, not bad up to now.
Haddock.
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This could be fun!!
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Did you ever think modelling could be the basis for the 'Krypton Factor'?
That looks mind boggling, let alone mind bending..................and physical bending!
Bigkev
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Fun's probably not the right word but it's stuck together for better or worse. I have to say that if Peter Hall hadn't got his bit right, none of this would be possible, although the gussets below the platform were a bit of a pig
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Getting ready for the "water-lining" operation.
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I bow to your skill and patience ( and thats not the front of a ship. )
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Neither of those, just bloody-mindedness.
Haddock.
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Marking the lines, boot topping and cut.
Haddock.
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...all very "Engineering" my friend :)
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Not 'arf, it's done now, just a bit at the bow to fill at a later date when I've done some work inside the hull.
Haddock (plastic butcher)
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Here's a before and after, I sometimes have to ask myself "is my journey really necessary".
Haddock.
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Only you can answer that!
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....but the journey is the goal........isn`t it?
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Is Haddock playing football now - who does he play for ?????
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Montrose????
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Bit fiddly this is, might look good under paint.
Haddock.
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.....barkin mad!
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Bit of paint sloshed on, anchor chains and stoppers added.
Haddock.
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I'm developing a love-hate relationship wit Trumpeter. The plastic on this kit is beautiful, the brass is revolting.That really doesn't matter because the brass from Peter Hall is as you would expect from him and very comprehensive, you can use it on most ships in the class with a bit of research, and, with a little effort, it fits.
It has been mentioned by some well known ship modelers that this kit is actually a re-issue of HMS Kent with a different set of markings to convert to HMS Montrose but the gun turret on the fore-deck and the two 30 mm guns are incorrect for HMS Montrose, there are other minor errors, but are easy to correct.
According to the experts, the main turret should be the "Kryten" type due to it's shape resembling a well known robot on some sci-fi program, the turret is a GRP moulding. The kit offering looks more like a jelly-bean, which is correct for the early fit on some ships.The 30 mm guns should be remote controlled not the manual versions as depicted in the kit.
I've spent hours looking for images of the turret that are suitable for me to produce a scratch-built item without much luck, plenty of pictures but not big enough to use. Deep gloom.
I Googled "Kryten gun"to see if a resin version was available, visited a Chinese or Japanese website and lo and behold, a picture of HMS Montrose with a "jelly bean" on the fore-deck. Come back Trumpeter, all is forgiven. I can cope with the other stuff.
Here's some pics to show the difference.
Happy Haddock
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Starting to look a bit like a Type 23. Lots more to add yet.
Haddock.
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Why do your ships look like ships, and my ships look like bits of plastic that have seen better days ??????????????
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Optical illusion!!
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where`s the jelly bean??
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Not finished yet. The four inch plastic gun refuses to look straight so I'm going to attempt to scratch-build one out of brass tube. It's 0.6 mm dia with some sleeves on it in strategic places, you will know what I mean.
Haddock.
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If your gun wont look straight, get it some glasses! Is it plastic or resin?
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Plastic.
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chuck it and build one out of brass.......ist worth it, but you allready know that.
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where`s the jelly bean??
Just for Terry, here,s the jelly-bean, as you can see , the gun is very fragile, the bend is only noticeable from above so brass it will have to be. The plastic will probably get broken off some time in the future cos I'm a bit ham-fisted.
Haddock.
Compare it with the earlier pics of the Kryten turret.
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you`re right, it is a jelly bean.....is it supposed to be a kryton turret?
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It could be either, it depends on what time in her career you happen to be modelling. If you look back to my post on the 21st July, it probably explains it all.
Haddock.
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Understood, but you will have to take your sanding sticks to this turret before it resembles a Kryton.......needs facets.
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It's not going to have the Kryten, there are enough parts in the kit and a bit of fiddling to create the early version, more or less as built.
Haddock.
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Bit more paint sloshed on, bits and bobs added. Still just sub-assemblies.
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Bit more paint sloshed on, bits and bobs added. Still just sub-assemblies.
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Bit more paint sloshed on, bits and bobs added. Still just sub-assemblies.
Looks more like a ship than a sub?
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but looking damm good for a sub! Nice work as usual my friend. Keep it coming.
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Wouldn't be very stealth like if it was a sub........................... all those sticky out thingy's
Bigkev
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Bit more progress, brass bashing!
Haddock.
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Respect!
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Bit more progress, brass bashing!
Haddock.
Brassed off are we?
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Hi Haddock,
Woweeee!
Bigkev
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Bit more progress, brass bashing!
Haddock.
Brassed off are we?
Actually, I'm quite enjoying this,I think I'm getting better at it too. Practice makes perfect!
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Bit more detail.
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Good stuff , Oh great fishy one.
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More bits and bobs added, starting to look "busy" now.
Haddock.
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Plenty of detail on there.
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Now it`s looking like a boat
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Bit more done, "jelly bean" and some railings.
Haddock.
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She really is looking good, you certainly have the knack of making a ship look "ship like", I don`t know how you do it!
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Stick 'em together and slosh some paint on!!
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Sticking and Sloshing...............................
you make it sound so simple.
Bigkev
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Doesn´t he just....after chatting with him in the pub in England I was convinced that this I make too much of this modelling marlarky. Now that I am back home and back onto the bench I know that his easy going style and confidence comes from years af practice and aquired skill.
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Doesn´t he just....after chatting with him in the pub in England I was convinced that this I make too much of this modelling marlarky. Now that I am back home and back onto the bench I know that his easy going style and confidence comes from years af practice and aquired skill.
Not really, compared with the rest, I'm a relative novice but I've got plenty of time and I don't like to be beat by a lump of plastic, bloody-minded, that's me.
There will be a helicopter poking it's nose out of the hangar but it's moulded in clear plastic and I don't think it will look very nice when done, you just can't see what your doing whilst sticking it together so I'm going to chicken out of displaying the whole thing unless it turns out better than expected.
Here's a bit more detail, nearly there now.
Haddock.
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Your work is always so clean....again I am impressed.