Bridlington & Wolds Scale Model Club Forum
Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: Red Lancer on July 02, 2020, 06:12:18 PM
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Whilst Jock of the 92nd was sitting in the airing cupboard I started thinking about the next project.
I have a couple of Pegaso 90mm Samurai, one of which was bought at EuroMilitaire many years ago,
the other being bought second hand, at our show, recently.
This had been started, the arms fixed and helmet fitted, but it was approx 25% of the current price, so worth the risk!
These two are not designed/intended by the manufacturer to be put together, but it should work (I hope),
anyway, we can but give it a go!
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Something going wrong with pics!!!
Will try resizing them again! but in the folder it say they are a lot smaller than the one it sent!!! heh ho!
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Try Again! These are what I thought I sent last time! (I hope)
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Nope! Give in!!!!!!!!!!
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However the photos are will be interested in following this string.
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Thanks Martin, but it is not sending what I pick! Getting annoyed!
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One last go!
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I am looking forward to your paint job on these.
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I am looking forward to your paint job on these.
Me too.
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No doubt more figure masterpieces in the offing once he gets the orientals orientated!!!
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konnichiwa
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konnichiwa
In the evening - konbanwa.
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konnichiwa
In the evening - konbanwa.
Too much watching Shogun!
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konnichiwa
In the evening - konbanwa.
Too much watching Shogun!
And I did Japanese language course!
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Looking forward to this. The paint job will be as good as ever I’m sure.
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To all those venerable posters....
If Red Lancer says it will be okay, it will be okay,....
Not sure what Japanese is 'for okay'....
But in Yorkshire.... 'It'll be alright!!'
Bigkev
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To all those venerable posters....
If Red Lancer says it will be okay, it will be okay,....
Not sure what Japanese is 'for okay'....
But in Yorkshire.... 'It'll be alright!!'
Bigkev
It'll be reet!
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To all those venerable posters....
If Red Lancer says it will be okay, it will be okay,....
Not sure what Japanese is 'for okay'....
But in Yorkshire.... 'It'll be alright!!'
Bigkev
It'll be reet!
I stand corrected, 'It'll be reet' as Haddock points out in his best Yorkshire
Cheers,
Bigkev
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To all those venerable posters....
If Red Lancer says it will be okay, it will be okay,....
Not sure what Japanese is 'for okay'....
But in Yorkshire.... 'It'll be alright!!'
Bigkev
The Japanese use ok.
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I have been progressing Red Sam a bit. The bulk of the body is now all stuck together and
roughly undercoated. The head /helmet is still not fixed. the previous owner had glued the
head into the helmet, which is going to make face painting problematical.
The coat, (Jimbaori), is cast in four pieces. A t this moment I think it is going to be a nightmare!
Again, the previous owner had fixed the arms in place, and I am not sure that was a good idea,
and the prospect of putting his coat onto a fully painted figure is frightening. His head cannot be
in place then as the rear of the helmet will be in the way. Additionally, the RH front quarter is nowhere
near, have spent 3 hours or so filing, fettling and swearing, so it nearly fits!
Right, here we go with pics!
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Hi Red Lancer,
Great stuff.
Attention to detail is great. I'm sure there must be a demonstration due at a future date when we are able to meet again.
I'm going to watch this one, and LEARN!
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Looks great, your attention to those small details is excellent.
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Looking good so far Howard.
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Enjoying this one Howard
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I have started putting the 2nd figure together. This one's coat is cast in only 2 pieces and
definitely can not be fitted with the arms in place! On a trial run the Left arm seemed ok
but the right may foul on the coat, but nothing too serious. The hands are moulded onto the lance,
so the positioning of the arms is critical.
However, this set up appears to be better than a 4 piece coat. I am currently wondering if I should see if the arms
will come off the other one in order to investigate if the build would be easier. There is never an instruction sheet with
figures telling you what goes where in what sequence.
The attached (hopefully) photos show it at the current state. The next thing is to sort out some type of base.
No doubt they will come in the usual assortment of sizes, too big and too small. Once that is done they all can progress
independently.
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When it comes to bases I have a few offcuts of 9mm MDF which are too short for a ship,
let me know what you need and I'll see if there's anything that will do.
They are in strips about 6ins wide .
Offer applies to anyone that needs some.
Haddock
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The detail of moulding on the figure looks excellent.
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I like his big pointy hat - could we get one each for all the club committee members - hohohohoho
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With a 'D' on the front? Looking forward to seeing these figures completed.
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With a 'D' on the front? Looking forward to seeing these figures completed.
Go and stand in the corner!
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With a 'D' on the front? Looking forward to seeing these figures completed.
Hi Chris,
Being a little naive, does the 'D' stand for, delectable, desirable, dominant, deadly, determined....
I cannot think of any other 'D' that would describe us.
Bigkev
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They're Off!!!!
I managed to get the arms off. Fortunately the previous owner hadn't pinned them!
This will make life a lot easier in painting his chest area, filling the joints on the coat etc.
Best thing I've done all day!
Tony, Thanks for the offer of base material. I will have a look through my stuff, but that is tomorrow's job.
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I can think of a few more D that would fit better than the ones you have come up with Kevin - hohohohohoho
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I can think of a few more D that would fit better than the ones you have come up with Kevin - hohohohohoho
I know, I missed 'Dynamic', oversight by me, sorry.
I hope that your 'D' s are kind.
Cheers Bigkev
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It's me so what do you think ??????????
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I can think of a few more D that would fit better than the ones you have come up with Kevin - hohohohohoho
I know, I missed 'Dynamic', oversight by me, sorry.
I hope that your 'D' s are kind.
Cheers Bigkev
You dunce, there are loads of D words.
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Got it one Zak!!!
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Got it one Zak!!!
Gentlemen,
I'm trying to be kind, there are other 'D' words, but some might be inappropriate.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Got it one Zak!!!
Gentlemen,
I'm trying to be kind, there are other 'D' words, but some might be inappropriate.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Inappropriate? When applied to our club members, never.
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Doubtful?
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Doubtful?
Like it, Chris.
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I have spent DDDDDays. filing and fettling to get these guys coats to fit. The "grey" one
needed an awful lot removing and shaping of the RH shoulder area, and "red" needed the coat pieces
joints working so they looked matched up. This is the one that the previous owner had fitted the arms.
There is no way it could have been done.
In fact, they actually fit better than appears in the photos as I had to put small bits of Blue Tack
under them to hold in place.
I think that the grey one is bigger than the other, even allowing for the red one being slightly crouched.
I dont know if you can see in the pics, but his legs, torso etc. definitely seem thicker to me.
Nothing I can do about that! They are by the same manufacturer, even the same sculptor!. Heh ho!
So, they are just about ready for serious painting.....faces first!
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Excellent work.
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Another good model for the MoVT!
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Coming along nicely.
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I think it will be another end of year winner.
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I think it will be another end of year winner.
I think you'll be right Bob.
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We might as well save all the effort and just set up a Standing Order for him, as every one's a winner!!! (Good title for a song that!!)
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Thank you for the comments, however it certainly will not win anything this year as I don't
see it being finished by then. And, anyroad up, there are many people far more deserving than me!
I had a go at some of the armour yesterday, it took ages to do not much!
Hopefully, I will put some pic sup during next week.
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Hi H,
Always impressed by your painting skills and attention to detail.
Look forward to the next 'How I' did it post. Always a lot to learn, from the master of figures in the club.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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A photo of the RedSam armour. All the bobbly and green bits need to be painted gold.
However,.as it stands at the moment I am not at all happy with it. I think I got a bit too clever and
highlighted and shadowed each small panel and it has not turned out well.
There is too much contrast in places, not enough blending etc. so will try some rectification .To be honest, I
don't think much will be visible once the coat is on!
The other photo shows the other Sam with the armour panels undercoated. The panels will be black, probably,
not that you can see them much as the are behind all the cordage that holds them in place. All of that
(grey in the photo) needs painting in various colours so I am spending time researching Samurai armour.
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Great, keep at it.
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Looking good Howard.
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Can't remember giving you permission to use my knobbly knees as reference!
Lovely work, as usual.
Bigkev
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Great painting skills.
Keep it up.
Andy.
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Little & Large
I am struggling with these two.
The heads are just about finished, just a bit of faffing to do.
You can see from the pics that one is significantly larger than the other,
a good 10% I reckon. This applies over the whole lot. The difference in calf muscles is enormous!
This could well scupper the original plan of doing a small diorama! This is not helping enthusiasm and Plan B may well involve
a shelf somewhere!
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Its just a big fellow being bashed by a small fellow - think they will look OK in a diorama. The faces are excellent :) :) :) :)
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Many makers seem to use different rulers?
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Whats a ruler Zak - hohohhoho
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Some are a nice piece of wood about a yard long, good for whacking awkward club members with.
We used to have some lovely ones in physics, varnished and everything, really nice, oh ,my measuring fetish is starting to show.
Sorry, your probably metric - just over a metre.
Did I mention micrometers?
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Some are a nice piece of wood about a yard long, good for whacking awkward club members with.
We used to have some lovely ones in physics, varnished and everything, really nice, oh ,my measuring fetish is starting to show.
Sorry, your probably metric - just over a metre.
Did I mention micrometers?
Now you have woken up Haddock with a mention of micrometers - we will all be in trouble now, either imperial or metric.
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Don't forget callipers, digital and not of course, Vernier scale, it never ends, as a chemist I did like Angstroms as a unit. 0.00000001 cm I think.
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Excellent faces Howard iirespective of the size difference.
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Little & Large
I am struggling with these two.
The heads are just about finished, just a bit of faffing to do.
You can see from the pics that one is significantly larger than the other,
a good 10% I reckon. This applies over the whole lot. The difference in calf muscles is enormous!
This could well scupper the original plan of doing a small diorama! This is not helping enthusiasm and Plan B may well involve
a shelf somewhere!
Master class in face painting. Great stuff.
Andy.
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Couldn't agree more Andy, great work.
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Hi again! Despite not posting much I have been steadily modelling. Unfortunately progress(???)
has been remarkably slow for the time and effort put in. I'm afraid I am not enjoying these two
but I am too far in to put them on a shelf!
I still haven't decided whether to put them together on a base due to the size differences,
and that will probably be a last minute decision when more or less complete!
However, all is not total gloom and despondency as I have already bought the next two models.
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Nice detail as always, glad to hear you are modelling.
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I really don't know how do paint such intricate detail Howaed. Magnificent!
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Thanks,guys....... they sort of look ok on the pictures, but believe me, they don't look too
good from where I'm sat!
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If you stand the smaller one behind the other then perspective will make the smaller one look further away. That could solve the size difference? These are too good to go on the 'shelf of shame'.
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Whatever you do with them - they look great
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Top figure painting skills.
Andy.
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I really like these, great work Howard.
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Excellent painting skills Howard.
When we can meet, I will give you a rub to see if some of the painting magic rubs off....
cheers,
Bigkev
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The important samurai had personal emblems. These were called Mon.
There were also Clan Mons for the lesser mortals. These were often embroidered on
the back of the coats they wore. For some reason Pegaso have moulded the shape of a mon on the back
of the Big Guy! (See Pic) However, they have not done this on the other model. Presumably he is just a pleb! ( sorry, don't
know the Japanese for pleb!)
Normally I would just file this off as, clearly, it is way over scale in thickness, and then hand paint, or
even manufacture transfers (stickers). However, on Searching the cupboard some stickers I came across
a stack of BRASS things I bought years ago. The are Heraldry of all sorts. Even some of Greek shields. (See Pic)
I have used these in the past to create stickers by taking photos and photoshop. As the expert Daughter that does this now lives in Edinburgh
I am just going to use as is on the pleb, it will be over scale but will match the Big Guy at least.
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Looking forward to your detailing with the metalwork.
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Also, whilst searching the cupboard, see previous, I came across this jar of gold powder .I have had it years but never used it.
I wanted to do the B Guy's coat turnbacks gold, and most gold paint is grainy and Printers Ink
would be too metallic looking for cloth, so I thought to give it a go. You need to paint the
item matt black first then apply with a cotton bud and polish.
It dues tend to go everywhere and it is advisable to wear a mask. (Plenty of those around these days, unfortunately)
I reckon that jar is about enough to cover a footbal lpitch!
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Take note all figure modelers.
Great stuff.
Andy.
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Must be worth a fortune, all that gold.
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Great as ever.
Bob c
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Can't wait for the finished model Howard.
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Learning lots of painting 'how to' from this build.
Look forward to the next instalment.
Bigkev
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Its hints from the master -- I listen,watch and try but mine just look like %^%$ but never mind its only a hobby and its for FUN.
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Great work and tips, as ever.
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Thanks for the favourable comments.
I have put a base together using slate out of the garden. Hopefully, the fact that the
small guy is stood a bit higher will mask the size difference a bit, but I am by no means sure.
Maybe one day you will all get to see them in the flesh (metal) and see the difference (now that we may
have vaccines!)
The base still needs tarting up with grass etc.. The Red guy is about ready for his head and arms. The
Big guy, as shown, needs the coat painting, which I did yesterday and today. The light was fading towards the
end of both sessions, which certainly didn't help.
Next steps are to finish the base to something like acceptable, stick heads on and finalise positions/orientation.
Mind you, Red isn't going to move much as he slots into two brass tubes fixed into the base and rockpile!
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The detail on the big guy is fantastic. I thought you said you were 'losing it'!!!!!
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Great attention to detail, I wish I had your patience and painting skills.
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Two very attractive figures, superb work capturing the look of these warriors extremely well methinks.
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Excellent detail on the figures Howard. The various parts look like coloured fabrics - amazing.
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Great detail, even if I had the patience no way could I do that.
Bob c
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WOW!!!
Outstanding Howard.
If only I could hope to achieve halve of what you do, I'd be very happy.
cheers,
Bigkev
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Thanks for all the comments.
I am in the process of making a base at the moment ( see earlier)
Hope to have it done by next week and model all finished for Xmas. No doubt Dave would be finished by tomorrow)
Wondering what is next now!
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You could always copy MSea's diorama skills and make one with a Shogun sat inside his castle? Remember they always sat facing the door so they saw anyone coming.
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You could always copy MSea's diorama skills and make one with a Shogun sat inside his castle? Remember they always sat facing the door so they saw anyone coming.
Just do your thing!!
Bigkev
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Just ENJOY what you are doing
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Outstanding paint job. The Samurai suits your skills.
Andy.
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A few pics of the base more or less finished.
The rocks are bits of slate from the garden, with a dark wash
and then dry brushed with a lighter colour. Grass tufts and assortment of loose stuff
Need o put figures to it to sort orientation, to make sure they are looking at each other.
The big guy has hold of a damn great lance/spear that I didn't take account of before making the base!
Could be a problem.
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Looks just like nature - how do you do it.
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Bonsai in action.
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Great natural looking base.
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More inspiration!!!
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Looks just like nature - how do you do it.
Photoshop!
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Finished at last!
It has eventually turned out better than I thought it would, but
I am still far from happy with it, destined for the loft I think.
I think the fact that the Red Guy is raised somewhat has masked the
difference in size to some extent.
I happened to be trawling the Internet last night doing research on the next model
and stumbled across pictures of another Red Guy........ thinking taking up embroidery
or knitting! heh ho!
Best wishes to All for Xmas!!
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Not the loft but the competition table level to me - well done they look excellent.
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Thanks Martin, but believe me it is far from good. If we ever
get to meetings again I will bring it to show. Most of its
problems don't show up on photos, thankfully!
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I agree, it is too good for the loft, as usual a great rendering.
The size difference has been well masked.
A really great piece of work.
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A truly excellent model Howard. Certainly destined for the competition table me thinks.
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If you're thinking of boxing it up and putting it away then I might as well give up modelling now. Great work as ever Howard.
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Absolutely stunning Howard. Be proud of yourself.
All the best to you.
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Blimey, they're outstanding. Look like stills from a film!
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Thanks for all the comments.