Bridlington & Wolds Scale Model Club Forum
Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: zak on November 14, 2019, 03:52:01 PM
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I have opened the box and made a start, the instructions are very comprehensive, but with the odd mistake.
A visit to the Wingnuts website soon sorted the confusion out.
On their site they have a collection of archive photographs and colour photos of the aircraft.
The Wingnuts website provides, hints and tips and lots of other information.
Here is the cockpit floor, it has been undercoated and then sprayed dark brown.
The rudder bars were assembled and painted.
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Hope you enjoy the build!
Roger
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Hi Zak,
Think you'll enjoy this build. WNW kits are amongst the best there are on the market.
Think you just need to ensure all mating/join areas are free of paint, I've read the tolerances are so fine, that it can throw things out slightly.
I'm sure, that you have already been aware of that.
Supposed it will be finished by next meeting.....?
Bigkev
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Hi Zak,
Think you'll enjoy this build. WNW kits are amongst the best there are on the market.
Think you just need to ensure all mating/join areas are free of paint, I've read the tolerances are so fine, that it can throw things out slightly.
I'm sure, that you have already been aware of that.
Supposed it will be finished by next meeting.....?
Bigkev
Thanks for that Kevin, yes I was aware of that and it is true.
The fit of parts is excellent.
More work done on the cockpit area last night.
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Cockpit frames assembled and painted.
Basic Engine assembled and painted and some shadow added.
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Hi Zak,
looking good. Love the detail on the engine, with nameplate on it.
Super casting!
Bigkev
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Interior frames and cockpit floor together and details added.
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Wow!
Looking good and at some speed!
Bigkev
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More work done on the front and rear cockpit assemblies.
Rigging with 0.15 mm wire.
Plug leads added - 2 spark plus per cylinder.
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Hi Zak,
looking impressive even at this early stage.
Its like watching the real thing in a factory being built on the production line.
Great Stuff,
Kevin
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Turnbuckles or not, the jury is out.
In this scale maybe.
It is quite hard to see them on photos of the real thing, you need a real close up.
The Wingnuts site suggest doing without, but I think I need to have a go.
Here are a couple of websites that have information about making your own.
https://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/
http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/608037/22738988/1369163748943/Biplane+rigging+techniques.pdf?token=cz2qquSDwQadkr8a4XeuhUIjaBE%3D
Trying to find out how many, single or double and if just eyelets are needed seems really difficult.
Any way here are my efforts and thoughts so far.
I bought some Gaspatch ones at Telford.
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So here is one of the ready made ones and a home made one with a wire loop formed around a 0.3mm drill and then inserted into the Albion Alloys tube.
It is fairly obvious which is which.
The ruler is to give some idea of the size - those are mm.
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Hi Zak,
Looks like homemade is the best!
I don't doubt the quality of the Gaspatch items, but the homemade ones look definitely much more delicate, just like you....
Only after the extra Whiskey in the bar at Telford.....
Your build just might tempt me to try at least one WNW.
Bigkev
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Here is a picture of a real one on a DH9.
They look quick small really.
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Wow!
For what it's worth, here's some thoughts.
The gas-patch items look great but I would ask myself, how strong are they? can I drill a hole at the correct angle and how do I attach a "wire" to the eye and trim off the excess to get a neat job. If you don't get a dead straight run from the upper wing to the lower wing, it would look horrible. What would I do if one of the turnbuckles broke off flush with the wing?
I'd have the same problem with the home-made items, cutting off the loose end, assuming you would be using a monofilament.
I think I would plump for the AA stuff. Using monofilament you'd get a nice straight run and trim the ends beneath the wing where it is less visible. It would be a simple job to slip the tube over the "wire" before installing the lower end and you can slide it into position later. You could colour the brass with blacking agent and your not relying on the turnbuckle for any strength.
Just my thoughts.
Haddock.
Your post arrived while I was typing mine!
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Thanks Tony, I have not got that far yet, but some good advice.
I was trying to see what looked best.
The Gaspatch one are resin and quite delicate and so the rigging would not be a strengthening element.
I did like you, wonder about just threading the AA tube over the monofilament.
If anything is overscale it would look dreadful.
Even on the real thing the turnbuckles are just slightly thicker than the rigging wire.
Wingnuts do not seem to favour turnbuckles.
I may have to build a mock up to see how it goes.
The colour of turnbuckles is another issue!
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The Gas-patch stuff could even be 3D printed, what do you think?
Haddock.
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The Gas-patch stuff could even be 3D printed, what do you think?
Haddock.
It could well be, they seem to print in resin as well now, the wonders of modern science or technology.
A bit more progress on the fuselage, various fuel pipes and pumps added as well as a Vickers Mk1 machine gu.
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What a pity all that internal framing is hidden from view.
Haddock.
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I know it is there.
Wings have now been added, together with a rusted lagged exhaust and the carburettor intakes.
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Looking good, when did you last sleep?
Haddock.
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Looking good, when did you last sleep?
Haddock.
He doesn't...….
He's like a Duracell Bunny, just keeps going on, and on, and on.
Is there a different time equilibrium in Bempton, how many hours is there in an normal Bemptonian day??
Nice work, though.
Bigkev
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Hi Zak
Not sure if it says on the instructions for this kit, but on the WNW website it recommends pinning the control surfaces with brass rod. Otherwise the contact patch is to scale, and they are very weak.
I had the same dilemma on turnbuckles. In the end I went for homemade eyelets and a knot sealed with superglue, then touched up with acrylic paint to thicken the end slightly. When I see brass tube on the end of a rigging wire, I think it looks very pretty, and it definitely wins in National competitions, but I felt my approach looked more like the real thing, which was more important to me.
Your build is looking very nice, cracking job sir!
Roger
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Hi Zak
Not sure if it says on the instructions for this kit, but on the WNW website it recommends pinning the control surfaces with brass rod. Otherwise the contact patch is to scale, and they are very weak.
I had the same dilemma on turnbuckles. In the end I went for homemade eyelets and a knot sealed with superglue, then touched up with acrylic paint to thicken the end slightly. When I see brass tube on the end of a rigging wire, I think it looks very pretty, and it definitely wins in National competitions, but I felt my approach looked more like the real thing, which was more important to me.
Your build is looking very nice, cracking job sir!
Roger
Same dilemma for me, I am not sure what to do, I am still undecided about turnbuckles.
The real things appear very delicate and it would be easy to overdo them.
I did look at the tips on the Wingnuts website and it suggested pinning, so I will do as you did.
Thanks for your input, always helpful to know what others have done.
I liked your model and it received much praise at Telford.
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No problem, and thanks. Just one other thing to remember (I'm sure you knew this but others might not) - only one turnbuckle per wire (usually at the lower end where the riggers can reach them). I've seen so many with them at both ends - even national champions models - and while very pretty it isn't quite right.
Another thing worth remembering is that some of the wire fixings are actually internal ie behind the fabric covering on some aeroplanes I noticed that on some of the RAF museum airplanes. I can't honestly remember if the DH9a is like that of course, but I'm sure your reference will pick up on that. Further complicating things is that some of the RAF museum aircraft are replicas, and the WNW Bristol Fighter has features from the replica in New Zealand that weren't on the original, so it is easy to get confused. And finally, production was never as standardised as it has become today in the aviation industry. They were all handbuilt, and little improvements were being introduced all the time.
Enough rambling on,
Roger
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No problem, and thanks. Just one other thing to remember (I'm sure you knew this but others might not) - only one turnbuckle per wire (usually at the lower end where the riggers can reach them). I've seen so many with them at both ends - even national champions models - and while very pretty it isn't quite right.
Another thing worth remembering is that some of the wire fixings are actually internal ie behind the fabric covering on some aeroplanes I noticed that on some of the RAF museum airplanes. I can't honestly remember if the DH9a is like that of course, but I'm sure your reference will pick up on that. Further complicating things is that some of the RAF museum aircraft are replicas, and the WNW Bristol Fighter has features from the replica in New Zealand that weren't on the original, so it is easy to get confused. And finally, production was never as standardised as it has become today in the aviation industry. They were all handbuilt, and little improvements were being introduced all the time.
Enough rambling on,
Roger
Once again thanks, yes I was aware of the one turnbuckle per wire and it even seems some RFC/RAF biplanes did not use them at all.
Yes, the wires seem to go through the fabric into the wing in a number of places.
As you say the Wingnuts photos online are the rebuilt DH9 at Duxford, so who knows.
Ah well, what will be will be.
Lots of parts in the paint shop.
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ooooh Heck?
Air quality over Bempton, looking distinctly reduced at moment....!
Lots of stuff to paint.
Bigkev
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Another excellent model - LOVE the engine - will follow this with interest
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Hi, I keep building and forgetting to take some photos, more soon.
Rigging with GasPatch turnbuckles.
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More rigging and assembly.
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Disaster, the larger decals - well the ones for the tail plane have broken up on contact with the water.
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Oh no, can you salvage it?
Roger
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I may have to paint the tail.
The others are passable but not brilliant.
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Unusual for WNW, can you get a replacement set?
Haddock.
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Unusual for WNW, can you get a replacement set?
Haddock.
Hi Zak,
Like Haddock says, unlike WNW from the reviews and builds I have read. Is it worth an email to them explaining problem?
I'm sure being a quality highly renowned manufacturer, they would probably be able to help.
Bigkev
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Base preparation, this started life as a cake stand and then had died sawdust and other bits added.
The aircraft only just fits in the spray booth.
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Diorama completed.
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Splendid that is. Can we have a rear view now please.
Haddock.
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It is back in its storage box, wait until our meeting.