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Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: Haddock on February 05, 2017, 04:10:05 PM
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Started this about a week ago. Forgotten where I bought it and what it cost. I've treated it to Artwox wood decks and Sea-master gun barrels, all the brass you need comes in the box although I'm sure I'll replace some of it with generic stuff.
You may remember I've already built a Tesaravich but as in 1917 when she had been renamed Grazhdanin (got a gold at Telford a year ago, just thought I'd pop that in )so this version is as commissioned in late 1903, a lot more stuff to add.
From the reference material I can find the kit looks pretty accurate, just one error which I've already corrected, thanks for the inserts Martin.
Haddock.
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My pleasure Haddock - anything for a "gold medal" winner.
but it would be a pleasure even if you hadn't won a bean.
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Will this one be another gold for Haddock???
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If its not a Gold, I'll try to knit Fog at Telford............................if there is any!
Wonderful stuff is sure to follow.............................
Bigkev
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And now to the build.
First, a bit about wooden decks, they're not a push-over, the positions of all the detail is very accurate but generally the profile needs to be trimmed to fit properly, a bit fiddly.
The hull is reinforced by two hefty spacers which need to be cut down in preparation for the water-lining process. There are six guns each side which need to be added, in hind-site, I could have done this after water-lining, we live and learn! I've added some plastic tube with brass rod stuffed down the middle to reinforce the hull and stop it collapsing after removing the bottom half of the hull. It's just a case of picking the right height ( below the waterline and above the cut ).
Lots of dry-fitting, hopefully to spot the little naughty bits that Trumpeter always provide,then chop the bottom off.
Hopefully, the pictures will speak for themselves.
Haddock.
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A positive photo-fest. Excellent.
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Very good indeed, I do enjoy watching your builds Haddock. What are you going to do with that big canoe that you have left over???
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Very good indeed, I do enjoy watching your builds Haddock. What are you going to do with that big canoe that you have left over???
It's in the bin!!
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Think this is what Roger means by " messing about "
The plastic disc is 1.2mm diameter by 0.5mm thick, the brass bit is part of a string of floats, folded to wrap around the plastic. I need to make a few of these.
Haddock.
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We live in awe Sir.
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Thanks.
Here's another type of pulley................. then the two working together.
Haddock.
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I do like these older vessels. And I do like the thought and love that you put into the build Haddock! Wonderful stuff.
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I am glad you are back on the older types of ships, its my favorite type.
But it puts me to shame every time I see your builds and then look at mine.
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Nearly had a senior moment here, I cam sympathise with Roger.
What you see are the main parts for the lower part of the main-mast. When dry-fitted, it becomes obvious that the running ends of the topping lift and the purchase have to pass through the fighting top to run down the side of the mast, pass round some sort of a jockey at the foot of the mast and finish up at a winch.
I completely missed the " pass through the fighting top " bit so I've had to add a couple of bits of brass tube to make it happen. This would have been a lot easier to do if I'd spotted it earlier, preferably before the brass gussets were fitted.
Must remember to engage brain fully before jumping in with gay abandon!!
Haddock.
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What you typed made no sense at all but thankfully you included the pictures which brought it all into context. This is something that I find is missing from so made build reviews in magazines; people are happy to tell you WHAT they did, but not tell or show you HOW they did it. I'm often left with a feeling of "it looks great but how did you make it so". Not the case with the projects on here.
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All lined up ready for paint to be sloshed on.
Haddock.
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ready for paint to be sloshed on.
Sloshed on is not a phrase I associate with your models - its more of an MSea type of thing !!!!!
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Hi Haddock,
If my sloshing was compared to yours, it would be ten times thinner and ten times neater!!!
I would describe it more as artistic colouring at the very least............!
Bigkev
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First attempt at some colour. There is a lot of confusion as to what the actual colour should be. Some sources say that the Russian " official " colour was a very dark olive green, almost black, This weathered and faded very quickly, The English translation of the Russian description
( no RAL,RLM or FS numbers in those days ) is " sooth " or more likely "soot" so a very dark grey should probably do for a start.
Although the pic looks to be black, it isn't, it's a very dark grey but the gloss varnish ( Johnsons ) makes it look "black", which it ain't.
All the fleet that took part in the Russo-Japanese war had to make a voyage of some 18,000 nautical miles, from the Baltic to the China sea, crossing the equator twice.
On arrival at Port Arthur, the hulls were encrusted with salt, rust and coal-dust although the superstructure was relatively clean. Looks like some subtle weathering is in order.
It's worth mentioning that at normal viewing distance, say two feet, you are a scale 700 feet away from the ship and the weathering would probably be almost invisible. Only when you get up close and personal would you be able to see it...... I think.
Best just to press on regardless and see what happens!!
Haddock.
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I agree with Wizzel, and also didn`t understand a word of all that seaman stuff that you be speaking there.
regards
Landlubber!
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I agree with Wizzel, and also didn`t understand a word of all that seaman stuff that you be speaking there.
regards
Landlubber!
Anything you don't understand, just ask and all will be revealed, for a small fee of course.
Haddock.
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That's wooden decks fitted then. Plus a bit of detail for added interest.
Not really sure what colour the steel decks should be. Some sources say they were just hull colour but well faded, others say some were covered with "linoleum" which was some sort of a brown, could have been a reddish brown. I'll settle for what's on now, with maybe a bit of a wash to dirty it up.
At the moment everything looks very clean and shiny, which is wrong, so when the first level above the wood deck is on I need to start with some weathering, trouble is at the moment I'm not quite sure what it should look like.
Haddock.
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If it's painted, it's stuck, unpainted, just dry-fitted.
I guess now is a good time to fit the detail that goes on the brown deck, while I can still get at it. There's ladders down to the main deck, rails that go around the tops of the ladders, guns and rails that go around the whole deck although these may be better done when the next deck is fitted.
Haddock.
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Looking good - no its looking excellent.
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Looking very good.
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Few more bits and bobs added, then some dry fitting.
Haddock.
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Few more bits and pieces added. It's becoming obvious that the wood deck in the mid-ship section will be almost unseen, the whole area is covered by at least eight ships boats. Hey-ho.
Haddock.
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Nice boat that.
Roger
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You commented on Rogers latest build that his models have a certain "Finesse" about them. I must say the same about your models my friend. Even though this is all work in progress the model looks proffessional und "right, if you know what I mean. I dont now how you manage that.
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You commented on Rogers latest build that his models have a certain "Finesse" about them. I must say the same about your models my friend. Even though this is all work in progress the model looks proffessional und "right, if you know what I mean. I dont now how you manage that.
I think being a tight-fisted Yorkshireman helps, I like to get my moneys-worth out of a kit.
Anyhow, here's a bit of dry-fitting and some "hidden" engineering to facilitate the rigging later on.
Haddock.
PPP=PPP.
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PPP = PPP ???
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I'll Private Message you Kiteman.
The breakdown of the acronym is........................................?
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Received and understood....many thanks.
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If it's painted, it's stuck in place,
Next problem is to position the ships boats. Trumpeter's version of events just doesn't make sense.
They sit on brass cradles..............which don't fit, in such a position that they collide with each other and other stuff too, so a bit of re-engineering is in order, bearing in mind that the funnel stays should land somewhere at deck level, and, with a clear run, no collisions.
Haddock.
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Next problem is to position the ships boats. Trumpeter's version of events just doesn't make sense.
They sit on brass cradles..............which don't fit, in such a position that they collide with each other and other stuff too, so a bit of re-engineering is in order, bearing in mind that the funnel stays should land somewhere at deck level, and, with a clear run, no collisions.
Haddock.
The problems we have with ships - all they do is stick a couple of wings onto the body
HoHoHoHo - sorry lads could not miss the opportunity
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Next problem is to position the ships boats. Trumpeter's version of events just doesn't make sense.
They sit on brass cradles..............which don't fit, in such a position that they collide with each other and other stuff too, so a bit of re-engineering is in order, bearing in mind that the funnel stays should land somewhere at deck level, and, with a clear run, no collisions.
Haddock.
The problems we have with ships - all they do is stick a couple of wings onto the body
HoHoHoHo - sorry lads could not miss the opportunity
You have to get 'em the right way up though, the wings that is, not easy sometimes.
Haddock.
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So this is where the after funnel stays will attach to the deck.
With my dubious eye-sight and hands that shake like a jelly, I have great difficulty attaching the ends of rigging etc by the usual method of superglue and activator , I can never hit the right place first time. However, I do seem to be able to mark and drill holes in the right place, hence the brass tube.
The line passes through the tube and is fixed somewhere else inside the hull, this lets me attach more than one line in the same place but at different times, ( think about it ).
Same idea lets you pass through two or even three levels of plastic with the line(s) fixed away from the tube and if you change your mind, you can remove one piece without disturbing the other. Hope that makes sense.
If you look closely, you should see another "hole" behind the skylight on top of the central deck-house, this is to accept two forestays from the mainmast.
The tube is 0.6mm O/D X 0.4mm I/D.
Henceforth, this method shall be known as " the Haddock Hole " or if you prefer it "the 'addock 'ole ".
At the moment, there are thirteen " 'addock 'oles " dotted around, more could be needed.
Haddock.
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I do like the term "Addock Ole", seem to fit like a glove Mr Beesting, sir.
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What an ingeneious solution. I am glad that you have shared you "ole" with us.
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Perhaps a demonstration of "Addock's Ole" at a club meeting?
Roger
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Careful now!
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I have some spare 3" drainpipe if needed.................................
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Bigkev
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Funnels and bits and bobs added, I think I could be a bit ambitious with the pulleys at the end of the derricks, can't seem to get 'em to hang realistically.
Haddock.
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Is that fishing line you have used on the pulleys ????
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Boyes invisible mending thread, it's really the same as fishing line in that it's a nylon monofilament, but cheaper. You get about 300 feet on a reel for £1, that was when I got it some years ago
0.1mm dia.
Haddock.
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A 'true' Yorkshireman, that Haddock is.
Only a £1, but I bet he said 'Ow Much!!!!'
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Came off in me 'and, 'onist mister!
What you see is a compass platform, laid flat. It should end up like the one on the left, but taller.
For some unknown reason, Trumpeter have decided to relief-etch where the bends should be but they've gone almost through, you can see the result.
I'm now trying to figure a way of sticking it together and build some mechanical strength into the flippin' thing.
Haddock.
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It can also be used for aircraft rigging.
Bridlufc
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Derricks rigged.
Haddock.
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Very nice too.
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Bit more stuff added (lousy picture).
The railings that surround the upper deck are supplied in one long run, so that's three large rads and six bends, also included are awning stanchions and to cap it all, the top rail is locally dropped adjacent to each gun. You have to be joking.
I've managed it with five pieces of generic brass rail, different pitches to fit it in and left the brass splinter-shields off the guns so they don't collide with the rails. Not historically accurate but it will have to do.
Haddock.
I can't see any awning stanchions on any of my reference pictures except those that were on when the ship was commissioned so I guess they were removed. I've done the same.
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The picture shows your efforts well.
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It also highlights every flippin' imperfection, and there are a few.
Haddock.
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It also highlights every flippin' imperfection, and there are a few.
Haddock.
It always amazes me that things seem to stand out on a photo more than real life.
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It also highlights every flippin' imperfection, and there are a few.
Haddock.
It always amazes me that things seem to stand out on a photo more than real life.
Something to do with old age and failing eyesight.
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So here's the compass platform that fell to bits, mine's a bit clunkier than the brass effort but you won't see most of the lower bit as it's surrounded by ships boats (two high).
Then there's the after one that stayed in one piece, plus some railings and ladders.
Haddock.
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I'd make a much worse job of that in 1/32 scale. Even the camera says you've done a good job!
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The term masochist springs to mind.
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The term masochist springs to mind.
Would that be Jacob Masochist the filosofer.
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More railings and some guns added.
I'm not brassed off yet. In a strange way this is quite fun.
Haddock.
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Fighting tops in place, and armed.
Pictures taken with flash don't 'arf show up the bits that need touching up!!
Haddock.
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Another gold at Telford I believe.
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Awesome as always, you really are a beast of a modeller!
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Another gold at Telford I believe.
Wrong colour and not big enough me-thinks, we'll see.
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WHAT? You'd prefer a smaller silver or bronze medal to a larger gold? Oddball ;)
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Lots of detail visible and very busy, nice.
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If I could rise to your level Haddock I probably would enjoy the 'dark side'
Bridlufc
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Bit more detail added.
Then the main and secondary armament.
Tops of the lower parts of the masts just plonked in place to see what they look like and formulate a plan to get it all looking plumb and square.
Haddock.
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WHAT? You'd prefer a smaller silver or bronze medal to a larger gold? Oddball ;)
I meant the ship actually, not the medals. Got one of each so I don't really care.
Haddock.
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I just love the look of these older ships, very steampunk.
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Simply marvelous.
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All I can say is 'WOW!'
Great looking model Haddock, another spectacular effort from the master.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Thanks for your kind comments folks.
Getting the masts ready for paint and rigging. Hopefully I can do some of the rigging before fitting the masts in place, less chance of accidental damage from an attack of the shakes.
Haddock.
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Is it the angle or me?
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I must agree with you Zak it does look a bit out of jannock that bottom yardarm
Bridlufc
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Is it the angle or me?
Probably a bit of both, the perspective is confusing, plus the two halves aren't stuck together so the top half is free to rotate at the moment.
Haddock.
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I must agree with you Zak it does look a bit out of jannock that bottom yardarm
Bridlufc
Does this help? There's certainly something there but I think I can lose that when the two parts are joined, there's a bit of play in the joint.
Haddock.
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Graph paper to the rescue, you ex- mathematician/ engineer.
Looks ok now.
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Even the lighting makes a difference! The fun bit, once some rigging is on will be fixing both masts to their fighting tops and getting it all to look plumb and square to the centre-line of the ship. Can't see a way of actually measuring anything as yet so it will be the MK1 eyeball. It's a plastic to plastic joint so I'll have some time to adjust I hope.
Haddock.
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Made a start on some of the rigging, I'm using EZ line, it's very soft and floppy so it's impossible to feed it through a small hole.
The main yard is the original plastic one, I wanted to preserve the detail, so the line is threaded through 0.3mm drilled holes, secured with a dab of superglue and cut flush with the hole where needed.
My method is to cut a piece of fishing line, about six inches long and push both ends through the drilled hole, pull it nearly through leaving a loop, drop the end of the EZ line through the loop and gently pull the other ends, if it goes according to plan, you end up with the EZ line through the hole. Sounds complicated but it's harder to say than do, just needs perseverance.
The brass yards are easier to do. Just a case of tying the line with a suitable knot, adjusting the tension, dab of superglue and cut off, job jobbed.
You'll probably notice that the tension in the line has put a bit of a curve in the plastic yard, hopefully this should cancel out when the braces pull in the opposite direction.
Hope all this drivel makes sense.
Haddock.
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Masochist.
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Absolutely mad.....by the way what is a fighting top?? I know what a spinning top is but this one defeats me.
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Absolutely mad.....by the way what is a fighting top?? I know what a spinning top is but this one defeats me.
They are the two "sheds" that at the moment are the highest part of the model.
During battle or gunnery practice, they would be manned by an officer and some ratings whose job it was to spot the fall of shot and relay the information to the gunnery officer.
Arming them was not very successful and the guns were removed quite quickly.
Fighting tops remained in use till the advent of usable radar, which rendered them obsolete.
They did become more sophisticated, being fitted with range-finders, radio and other stuff.
Can't have been the nicest place to be as the were in close proximity to the funnels so were exposed to all the heat and smoke.
Hope this helps.
Haddock.
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In earlier days were they manned by sailors with muskets - wasn't it one such sailor in the fighting top that fatally wounded Nelson? I seem to remember the term being used in relation to that incident.
Roger
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Think you're right.
Haddock.
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Bit more progress, two halves joined and some more rigging added. More to add yet, but you get the idea.
Haddock.
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As a break from rigging, I thought now would be a good time to fit the anchors and chains.
Haddock.
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Hi Haddock,
That looks good. Those anchors look really heavy duty.
Question:- What is that empennage that juts out from the front of the bow above the waterline please?
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Hi Haddock,
That looks good. Those anchors look really heavy duty.
Question:- What is that empennage that juts out from the front of the bow above the waterline please?
Cheers,
Bigkev
It's a torpedo tube, there's one on the stern as well.
Haddock.
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Bit more progress, slowly but surely.
Haddock.
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Wonderful work and thank you for the lesson on fighting tops, I am now wiser in the ways of the dark side.
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Thanks for explanation on the Torpedo tube Haddock.
Never thought a warship of that size would have torpedo tubes fore and aft.
You live and learn. Thanks Haddock......
Bigkev
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There were also two more tubes below the waterline. They were fitted around the area of the main forward gun turret. The ship carried fourteen torpedoes (15"). Don't think they were very effective and I've yet to find any record of them being used, except in practice.
Haddock.
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Mainmast and derricks rigged. Gaff plus rigging for same to go on yet.
I found threading the pulleys quite difficult.
Haddock.
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Marvelous work, I am mega impressed.
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Ships boats, lots of ships boats.
Haddock.
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Ships boats, lots of ships boats.
Haddock.
Are they just plastic or have they got brass inserts ??????
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Just plastic I'm pleased to say. The pulling boats aren't very nicely done, the gunnel's are very thick, to scale, about 12ins, but the innards are separate pieces, bit difficult to thin down without losing the shape.
Haddock.
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Boats painted and in place. The "goalposts" are just there to fix the position of the boats, it's all rather cramped in that area.
Haddock.
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That is coming on a treat is that......nice one
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Fore-deck and quarter-deck railings added, plus one or two other bits and bobs.
Still more detail to add yet.
Haddock.
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Looking very good!
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I'll trump that Kiteman!
It looks excellent in pictures and will be breath taking up close.
Bigkev
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Oh how I wish that I couild build that well!
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Stick 'em together and slosh some paint on!!
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Stick 'em together and slosh some paint on!!
If only it were that simple.
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Haddock is right, in principle, but its like saying that Constable just took a piece of canvas and sloshed some paint on it!!!
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But Haddock and Constable both did it with artistic flair..........................
Which, I do not have and suspect equally others don't have either.
Bigkev
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But Haddock and Constable both did it with artistic flair..........................
Which, I do not have and suspect equally others don't have either.
Bigkev
They do, they just need to find it!!
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I`m with you on this one Kev!
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That's it folks, job jobbed, here it is in all it's horrible glory.
Finished a couple of weeks ago but my camera has been on the blink.
I may add some figures at a later date.
Haddock.
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I just love those early battleships.
Great.
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Another masterpiece from the master.
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Fantastic! How do you do that water>???? I would love to know.