Bridlington & Wolds Scale Model Club Forum
Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: zak on November 16, 2018, 01:33:38 PM
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Please feel free to post any ideas or models on this thread connected with this theme for models, anything connected will do.
When this was raised at the club meeting as being a theme for the next show in September a germ of an idea began to take shape.
I recollected that I had a model of the Bonhomme Richard somewhere, eventually I found it.
The model was produced by SMER and is quoted as 1/500 in scale
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If ships are your thing, then two ships connected with the East Riding are:
HMS Bridlington - a minesweeper
HMS Beverley
There may be more to be discovered.
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Checked up on both, can't find any evidence of either in kit form on the present market.
There was a resin kit of the class which HMS Beverly belonged to produced but not now in stock anywhere.
I got the book of the ship in anticipation. How's that for dedication.
The only thing that may fit the bill is a round table class armed trawler, I think some were built at Beverly.
Starling Models has some on stock in 1:700 in resin, only about £12 plus postage. In that scale it would only be around 2" long. I we got one each, we could build a small fleet!
Tony.
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Sorry chaps, just checked up, they were built in Aberdeen.
The only hope is that the may have sailed from Hull at some time.
Those that survived were sold to the fishing companies after the war.
Can't find anything, perhaps Martin will know.
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Please feel free to post any ideas or models on this thread connected with this theme for models, anything connected will do.
When this was raised at the club meeting as being a theme for the next show in September a germ of an idea began to take shape.
I recollected that I had a model of the Bonhomme Richard somewhere, eventually I found it.
The model was produced by SMER and is quoted as 1/500 in scale
Connection to East riding in red.
The Bonhomme Richard, formerly Duc de Duras, was a warship in the Continental Navy. She was originally an East Indiaman, a merchant ship built in France for the French East India Company in 1765, for service between France and the Orient. She was placed at the disposal of John Paul Jones on 4 February 1779, by King Louis XVI of France as a result of a loan to the United States by French shipping magnate, Jacques-Donatien Le Ray.
Bonhomme Richard was originally an East Indiaman named Duc de Duras, a merchant ship built at Lorient according to the plan drawn up by the King's Master Shipwright Antoine Groignard for the French East India Company in 1765. Her design allowed her to be quickly transformed into a man-of-war in case of necessity to support the navy. She made two voyages to China, the first in 1766 and the second in 1769. At her return the French East India Company had been dissolved, and all its installations and ships transferred to the French Navy. As a naval ship she made a voyage to Isle de France before being sold to private shipowners in 1771. She sailed in private service until she was purchased by King Louis XVI of France in early 1779 and placed under the command of John Paul Jones on 4 February. The size and armament of Duc de Duras made her roughly equivalent to half of a 64-gun ship of the line.
Jones renamed her Bon Homme Richard (usually rendered in more correct French as Bonhomme Richard) in honor of Benjamin Franklin, the American Commissioner at Paris.
On 23 September 1779, the squadron encountered the Baltic Fleet of 41 sail under convoy of HMS Serapis and HM hired armed vessel Countess of Scarborough near Flamborough Head. Bonhomme Richard and Serapis entered a bitter engagement at about 6:00 p.m. The battle continued for the next four hours, costing the lives of nearly half of the American and British crews. British victory seemed inevitable, as the more heavily armed Serapis used its firepower to rake Bonhomme Richard with devastating effect. The commander of Serapis finally called on Jones to surrender. He replied, "Sir, I have not yet begun to fight!" Jones eventually managed to lash the ships together, nullifying his opponent's greater maneuverability and allowing him to take advantage of the larger size and considerably more numerous crew of Bonhomme Richard. An attempt by the Americans to board Serapis was repulsed, as was an attempt by the British to board Bonhomme Richard. Finally, after another of Jones's ships joined the fight, the British captain was forced to surrender at about 10:30 p.m. Bonhomme Richard – shattered, on fire, leaking badly – defied all efforts to save her and sank about 36 hours later at 11:00 a.m. on 25 September 1779. Jones sailed the captured Serapis to the Dutch United Provinces for repairs.
Though Bonhomme Richard sank after the battle, the battle's outcome was one of the factors that convinced the French crown to back the colonies in their fight to become independent of British authority.
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Hi Zak,
Really like the Bonhomme Richard story and the other links to East Riding of Yorkshire.
For me it will be an aeronautical theme, and I have a couple of projects in mind.
What I do like, is that you have started the diverse number of subjects and time line that this theme can cover.
Perhaps the twelve or so bits of wood supposedly from Bonhomme Richard will be re-created in due course, but who will be the first?
I think Bill has the given us the 'key' to a bigger more diverse theme within the club and beyond.
I will watch this thread closely, and where possible add to it.
Well done, Sir!
I presume the Smer kit is now finished, if built at your usual build rate??
Cheers,
Bigkev
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No, not finished yet, I am adding the ratlines as none were included in the kit.
I am doing this while paint and glue dries on a bigger model.
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What an idiot I am, I built one of these some time ago, I gave it away to someone who had a particular interest in the ship. This was the old Pyro kit.
Here is a link to some photos of the ship http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/sail/bhr-500-ds/ds-index.html
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There are two other themes which are open to a wide range of model projects.
1. East Yorkshire Regiment, with a long history which includes 19th and 20th century conflicts
2. Hedon Aerodrome, not least the Amy Johnson connection, Gustav Hamel very early aviator, and the very brief story of the aircraft manufacturer 'Civilian'
Plus you might include 'The Bounty', originally build in Hull as the collier 'Bethia' plus a Bag of Boiled Sweets and a Bottle of Dettol.
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You can also add the Hull trawlers attacked by the Russian fleet on the way to the battle of Tsushima - damaged parts of one is on display in the Hull maritime museum. That could be any of the trawlers, any of the Russian fleet or the mission vessel "Joseph and Sara" or the funeral cortage on the streets of Hull.
I still have one of the Revill "north sea trawler" models in the stash and might try and convert it to a 1950 Hull trawler my father sailed on.
German ships shelling Scarborough during the first world war, or the damage to the houses ashore.
The Hull whaling fleet ----- but expect it will be 95% planes - but heh ho its only a hobby and for FUN.
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Scarborough was not in the East Riding, the border checks are at Filey, or were!
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I forget to say that I did waterline the ship before anything else.
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We live and learn -- ?????
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Scarborough was not in the East Riding, the border checks are at Filey, or were!
How much artistic licence should we use. Scarborough is on the East coast of Yorkshire although not the East riding!
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A bit more progress, in between building 1/350 pre- dreadnoughts.
Here she is firing a broadside, I now need to come up with HMS Serapis.
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HMS Serapis was a ship of the Roebuck Class, a 5th rated ship with 44 guns.
I think the old Airfix HMS Shannon will have to be pressed into service as a stand in.
I already have a Shannon built, but not water lined, I will chop it up and add some rigging and then come up with a small diorama.
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Here we are, the ships at sea, still a bit more to do,
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Hi Zak,
Very Nice, and atmospheric display.
Looking very good and a great start point for a discussion about this famous encounter.
Well done,
Bigkev
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Speechless!!
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Looks like a winner of Bills comp to me !!!!
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Many thanks for the comments.
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I like that Zak, something a bit different.
Roger
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Looks like a winner of Bills comp to me !!!!
Only because you love the cotton wool broadside!
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More Bon Homme Richard.
I found another model, this was originally produced by Revell in 1967 and the scale is 1:132 (?), why I ask.
So far I have water lined the ship, it has been undercoated and given a coat of brown colour.
The hull is posed next to the smaller model for a size comparison.
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The "dark side" has got its claws fully into you -- welcome.
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A bit more assembly and painting done.
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Flippin' eck!!
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More painting, cannons and boat added.
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Masts and Ratlines work in progress.
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Starting to look impressive.
Haddock.
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The masts have to be drilled and pinned to the mast as the location is very dodgy.
Some rigging done.
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Wow!
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Rigging almost complete, sea being added.
This may be the last modelling done before Christmas, visitors from Australia and general festivities will get in the way.
Happy Christmas to all our readers in advance.
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And a Merry Xmas to you and yours too.
Looking forward to seeing this excellent model finished n the New Year!
Roger
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Splendid that is, really splendid.
Haddock.
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Hi Zak,
Not had much time for modelling myself, but I must say that is a fantastic model and with so much relevance to the East Riding of Yorkshire.
Well Done, inspirational modelling.
Must get my game into gear now.....
Best Wishes for Christmas and New Year for you and all those who read this thread.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Some research has led me to HMS Bridlington, so this will be my next East Riding Project.
Modelling HMS Bridlington
HMS Bridlington was a Bangor class minesweeper, number J65. She was one of four diesel-engine vessels. She was laid down on 11th September 1939, launched 29th February 1940 and commissioned on 28th September 1940.
The builder was William Denny & Brothers (Dumbarton, Scotland), with machinery built by Harland & Wolff Ltd (Govan, Scotland). She had 2000hp diesel motors driving reciprocating engines (VTE) and geared turbines on two shafts. Her maximum speed was 16 knots, and she weighed 590 tons.
HMS Bridlington was among the first four of her class, the others being Bangor, Blackpool and Bridport).
Her displacement was 672 BRT, she was 180 feet long, had a breadth of 28ft, a depth of 15ft 6in, and a draft of 8ft 3in (10ft 6in fully loaded). She had a complement of 60 men.
Her armament included one 3in. anti-aircraft gun, and varied anti-aircraft armament.
Two captains recorded are Lt. Charles Wickham Malins, R.N., who commanded her from 12th July 1940, and Lt. Peter John Baye, from 24th February 1942 until August 1942. On 2nd October, 1941, HMS Bridlington sailed from Harwich and joined HMS Eastbourne in the English Channel for minesweeping duties.
During the period December 1942 to January 1943, Petty Officer Arthur Ernest Brown was mentioned in despatches for "bravery and skill while employed on the hazardous duties of keeping the seas clear of mines."
HMS Bridlington played her part in Operation Overlord, the D-Day landings. As one of nine ships of the 9th minesweeping flotilla, she sailed from the Solent at 12.55 hours on 5th June 1944 heading for Juno beach.
In 1946, HMS Bridlington was transferred to the RAF, when her title became His Majesty's Air Force Vessel Bridington. Six months later she was manned by the RAF. Sqn.ldr. George Coates, DSC, took over as commanding officer, when the ship was "handed over" in Chatham.
The vessel was finally scrapped on 6th May 1958.
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I intend to build the ship in 1:350 scale, this will be very small compared to some of Haddock's monster battleships. At 180ft in length this will scale to approximately 157mm.
This will be scratch built and I may raid the spares box if anything looks the part.
There will be some guesswork and the ship did have a number of refits, so looking at photos leads all over the place.
So don't expect an exact model, it will be my best efforts. (lacking as they may be).
The hull was cut from balsa and then clad in plastic card.
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Glad you are now firmly on the "dark side" -- hohohoho.
Joking aside another excellent model - I expect it will be finished by Sunday ????????
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Where will it all end?
I've got lots of 1:350 generic stuff, not just railings so sing out if you're in need.
Haddock.
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Hi Zak,
What an inspirational subject, HMS Bridlington indeed!
Never knew one existed, well actually a lie, you did tell me some time ago, but didn't know beforehand.
What I never knew that it came under the RAF, you live and learn.
I will watch and learn.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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More research reveals some of the stuff on Wikipedia may be incorrect, no surprise there I guess.
Weapons may be different from those quoted.
Vickers in a quad mount or two 2omm AA guns.
Anyway back to the modelling.
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Don't listen to the "rivet counters" they know nothing - most get the information from the internet and we know how accurate that can be.
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I will just ignore them and do what I want.
More bits of plastic stuck together.
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More bits stuck together, accuracy dubious, but it kept me busy.
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More of the same.
Undercoating.
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Looking good
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Sorry, not finished by Sunday!
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Sorry, not finished by Sunday!
Maybe the next one will be finished on time -- hohoho
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More painting and so on.
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Added to a base with some Vospers, going on patrol.
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Excellent
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Impressive, really impressive.
Haddock.
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Hi Zak,
Seen the completed article tonight at the club meeting.
Very nice, and those Vosper's set it off nicely.
A real 'Jack of all Trade's' (but master of all) you are becoming.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Here is an armed trawler from WW2, many of these were built in Beverley at the Cook, Welton and Gemmell shipyard, they were launched broadside. They built mainly trawlers, minesweepers and some Flower Class corvettes according to one website.
Their output seems to have been immense.
Although supposedly 1:300, it scales out to be about 150 feet in length in 1:350, so it will do.
This is from Warlord Games, their Cruel Sea range and was obtained for me by Mighty Lancer in Bridlington - thanks Nathan.
This is a resin kit (not may parts), you get a nicely moulded hull and then white metal fittings.
There are no instructions supplied with the kit.
The photos show the box and then its contents.
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The first job will be to remove the large bit of casting sprue from the bottom , I don't really like resin, but needs must.
Sorry about the photo quality!
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Here are all(!) the parts laid out, dry fitting and then assembled and undercoated. I will drill out the ventilators.
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Now you have a fleet , do I have to call you Admiral ??????????
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Now you have a fleet , do I have to call you Admiral ??????????
Just "SIR" as usual will do!
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Here are all(!) the parts laid out, dry fitting and then assembled and undercoated. I will drill out the ventilators.
That is a really sweet model Zak.
Seems you have got a taste for this scale and subject.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Now you have a fleet , do I have to call you Admiral ??????????
Just "SIR" as usual will do!
Is that sir or cur ???????????????????
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Now you have a fleet , do I have to call you Admiral ??????????
Just "SIR" as usual will do!
Is that sir or cur ???????????????????
Hi Msea,
Good job your absent at next meeting.....
I think the board rubber would be heading your way..... from 'Sir'
Bigkev
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More painting, the deck, then a dark wash, then detail added and so on.
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'ecky thump, where did that come from.
Haddock.
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Very nice, as usual you are exploring some very interesting avenues.
Roger
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Here is the completed armed trawler.
I need to make some sea for it to float on.
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The same company also built two Flower Class Corvettes, The Azalea and the Begonia, they were among the first batch to be built. The one here is HMS Begonia K66. The scale is 1/300, but I am not sure you would notice the difference to 1/350 really.
I have also been working on one of these, again from Cruel Seas, again a hunk of resin with some white metal additions, so it is mostly painting.
I am going to display this and the armed trawler on one base.
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Lovely!!
Haddock.
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Admiral Zak and his wonderful fleet.
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Admiral Zak and his wonderful fleet.
Should that have been 'Admiral Zak and his wonderful feet'?
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Here they are on a base with some sea added.
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Somebody should the skipper of the corvette that it's up to the overtaking ship to keep clear.
Looks vey nice though.
Haddock.
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Somebody should the skipper of the corvette that it's up to the overtaking ship to keep clear.
Looks vey nice though.
Haddock.
I just wanted to put them on one base, as they are quite small.
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The connections to the East Riding keep going on.
There are Hunt Class minesweepers from WW1 ( Middleton).
Hunt Class destroyers - Class I and II and also modern mine countermeasure vessels.
So what next?
HMS Holderness, HMS Middleton (3 ships of this name), HMT Thornwick Bay???
No, none of these, it will be HMS Beverley, a town class destroyer from WW2.
Talking to Peter Hall (Atlantic Models) led me to buy HMS Monmouth, a destroyer of this class.
This has mostly resin parts and an etched fret from White Ensign.
It should be possible to build something like HMS Beverley from this.
Not much information is online and very few photographs, so guesswork and modellers licence will be the order of the day.
This class were flushed deck, four stackers on lend lease from the USA.
They were converted and refitted here for escort duty.
The literature seems to be confused as to details about the ship.
One book quotes it as a Belmont Class, where as she was in the Clemenson Class and part of the first batch with the Belmont, hence the error I guess.
There appear to be differences, as usual between members of the class, but as Peter Hall said, who will know.
Well enough waffle, onto the model.
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I started by cleaning up all the parts and then washing them, they were then all undercoated.
I did clean the etched brass with solvent first.
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Looks like a very nice kit, might it slow you down a bit?
Haddock.
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Looks like a very nice kit, might it slow you down a bit?
Haddock.
You are correct Haddock, it will now take him an extra 20 minutes to finish the model !!!!!!!!!!
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It will slow me down as the brass may not fit as it should and a lot of head scratching will be done, I would pull out my hair but it is too late for that.
Also not sure I really like resin!
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Sorry, I have not posted for a while, I have been sorting out colours and so on.
Here is the result, so far.
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Hi Zak,
Looking good so far. Resin demands certain attention in its handling/cutting, but this build looks good so far.
Keep up the good work....
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Like the camo scheme, respect.
Haddock
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Here it is completed.
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And very nice too.
Haddock.
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Agree with Haddock,
Your getting good at this model ship lark...…
Haddock, Msea, watch out. There's a new(old) kid on the block.....
Cheers,
Bigkev
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The Haile Sand and Bull forts guard the entrance to the Humber.
During WW2, the original Yorkshire Belle( built 1937 in Beverley), was requisitioned and used for patrols in the Humber and as a boom defence vessel.
In 1941 she was sunk by a magnetic mine with the loss of all hands, some sources say 4, others say 9.
This was a few cables length from the Haile Sand fort ( a cable is 1/10 of a nautical mile or about 100 fathoms) and so this scratch built model was inspired by this.
Once again this is in 1/350.
It is more of an impression than an accurate scale model.
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More of the same.
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Wish I had quid for every time I've steamed past the Bull Fort. In my day, it was a mucky red/brown colour, probably rust and muck.
Haddock.