Bridlington & Wolds Scale Model Club Forum
Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: Haddock on February 22, 2015, 04:45:08 PM
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Got this at Huddersfield, the chap knocked me 10% off without asking, must have thought I looked poverty stricken!
It's similar to the Prince Suvarov but on closer inspection, different enough to make me want to build it. I do like these pre-dreadnoughts but there aren't many kits around in plastic in 1:350 scale that you can get your hands on. It's a nice size to handle so may be easier than QE although there's lots of brass in the kit and plenty of rigging to go at. Might be the next project. It could lend its self to making it look a bit rusty and battered.
Haddock.
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Bit more info. The first picture shows her more or less as built, the second is much later with guns removed and a lot of "top hamper" removed, more like in 1917.
Haddock.
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Will you have it finished for when I get back?
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No comment!!
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Which version do you intend to build? With or without loadsa tackelage?
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The latest version, without all the top hamper.
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Coward! ;)
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Probably, but that's what's in the box. Should I want to do the earlier version, decent images are few and far between. I'd probably have to buy a book which could end up costing more than the kit.
That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
Haddock.
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Sounds like a good excuse to me....good luck with the ship, I look forward as always to seeing the progress.
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Feeling I could do with a break from Queen Elizabeth, I thought I'd open the box and have a look at the parts. Fatal mistake as you can see. Nothing is glued except the two gun emplacements and the planking plates for the three inch gun embrasures, these were removed early in her career as they were virtually useless. Note the tumble-home, very pronounced.
The detail on the hull is amazing, I'll need to be very careful not to lose it during the build. It should build into a very rigid structure, although what it will be like when "water-lined" I'm not sure. I'll have to put some stiffeners in as the two frames that give it strength attach well below the water-line so the bottom half will be removed.
All in all, it looks very promising although there's oodles of brass.I just hope it fits.
Haddock
Martin would love this one!
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In the words of Magnuss Magnusson.....I`ve started, so I`ll finish.
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Looks good.
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Oh Haddock,
You tempt us all with another beautiful build in prospect, I waited with baited breath.
Bigkev
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Bit of re-engineering going on here.
Haddock.
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I don`t undersand what or why but it looks good.
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He's going to really annoy us now by showing us these re-engineered bits complete and in place without telling us what or why! I too am intrigued!
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Fear not my friends, all will be revealed in the fullness of time.
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Keep doing a bit whilst stuff is drying on "Big Lizzy". The detail on this thing is amazing but some of the fits are a bit "iffy", nothing that can't be fixed with a bit of brute force and ignorance.
If left to it's own devices, the mast would be considerably out of plumb.
Not water-lined yet.
Haddock.
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I never cease to be amazed by how clean your builds are...superb!
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It's good, proper modellers that can make a badly fitting kit fit good. I'm still in the discipline of making good fitting kits fit badly! It'll be a long while before I'm ready to tackle etched brass on the scale you do but I'm taking it all in so when the time comes I'll know what to do!
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I think that is why I scratch build.
I get really frustrated when kits don't fit and you have to do lots of work.
Why are we paying good money for a kit where the bits don't fit.
Do they ever test build them?
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Now there is a question, perhaps our ex airfix members can answer that. If they do test build them are we to believe that they are satisfied with such (poor) quality?
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The thing is, back in the Airfix heyday, we were more than happy with what we got - bad fit, 6" rivets an' all. We're so used to complaining at a high level now that we're very difficult to please. Most of the magazine reviews are focussed around what DOESN'T work in a kit and what the builder had to do to rectify it. That's one reason I don't want to enter any competitions with my models. I do them for my own enjoyment and begrudge spending 5-10 times the value of the model on after market corrections.
That said, looking at the Dornier, Blenheim and BP Defiant Bill brought to the meeting, Airfix have at last upped their game and look like a force to be reckoned with again. Pity they have such a poor attitude to the likes of supporting make and takes - cos who's going to buy their excellent kits when we're all gone if they don't try to attract new blood!
Anyway, back to the Tsesarevich if you would please Haddock...
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Well just to carry on a bit, since Hornby took over the actual standard of the kits is excellent.
One problem I have is they present an old kit in a new box, so they are still bashing out some of their earlier kits and when you open the box its still a bit of a disappointment.
As far as accuracy goes, I find that with WW1 you can claim that they don't know any better than you. even some of the stuff presented in museums is not accurate. Bovington claimed they had a Mk 1 but it wasn't, so there we go.
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Yes, agreed there with the old kit thing. It's very difficult to spot the new toolings. And keeping up with all the releases is no mean feat either. I will be wanting one of them Dorniers though.
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Water-lined. Hopefully now you can see the reasoning behind the re-engineering. It should help to maintain the shape of the hull and resist the effects of my rough handling.
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Aaaaaahhhh! Now all is clear, thanks for that!
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Just bits and bobs whilst waiting for Big Lizzie's water to dry. Not much glued, just dry fitting and formulating a plan of attack. The fun starts when adding the etched brass and painting the sub-assy's starts. Then of course, there's brass top-masts to make and rigging to plan.I can't find any decent images for the rigging so I'll have to use artistic licence.
Haddock.
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Up tonow, this is the best image I can find, it doesn't show the full ship.
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just testing
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Your test seems to have worked.
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Not much progress since Sword and Lance I'm ashamed to say, however, here's some brass bashing. This could take some time!
Haddock.
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Get bashing Tony, I know how you feel, we have had visitors satying.
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....and I know how you feel after my experience on the Focke Achgelis
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Progress is very slow at the moment for all sorts of reasons but here's a mast with some brass stuck on it.
Haddock
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Is the sign behind so that you remember what to model and then do it upside down?
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i think that that is simply evidence that he has been practicing his spelling before he makes any more mistakes on this website!
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oooooooooooooooooooh!
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Nice work Haddock,
Look forward to seeing this come along.
Bigkev
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Funny that the hairspray method has just been mentioned. I'm just about to try it on this little beast. I'm hoping to represent chips, rust and grime with hairspray and washes although I'm using an AK Interactive product that I've used before. If it works, I'll post some pics and describe how I did it, if it don't, I've got a new tin of Mr Muscle!!
This is the picture that gave me the inspiration.
Haddock.
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Will Mrs haddock be missing her hair products?
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If its not the Hairspray she misses, it will be the Mr Muscle when she wants to clean the oven!!
Look on with interest. Hairspray for me?...........................need some hair first!
Bigkev
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All this talk of hairspray and salt makes me think that we have a fetish thing going on at the mo...
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Well I've tried the hairspray method and although it works I wasn't happy with the result, it looked too "in yer face " for my liking, maybe I used too dark a base colour or it could be just a question of scale, at 1:350, 1mm is about 14 inches so the chips need to be small, almost to the point where you can't see 'em.
I've settled for " dirty " including the wooden decks. It's difficult to know when to stop, when you can see it clearly, it looks too much. At least with the enamel washes, you can get rid of almost all of it with white spirit.Things seem to look better when you go away and come back in an hour, you seem to get a better idea of what it really looks like,and I can keep adding bits over time till I'm happy with the result.
If anybody would like to try this stuff, just sing out, your quite welcome.
Haddock.
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Looking good Tony, I have often found that with effects and paint jobs it is always better to go away for a while, look at something else that has nowt to do with modelling (perhaps the wife) and then come back, things look different them. Often, if I am not sure I take a photo and look at it that way, things do look different on photos and one gets a fresh perspective.
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Looks good Haddock.
Weathering is a form of art, and too easy to overdo.
Stick with what you prefer, you past paint jobs are stunning in their own right.
Bigkev
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It's looking good so far. It must be hard to know what colours are best especially when you've only got them black and white images to go by.
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I think most of WW1 and before was fought in black and white, most coloured pictures were hand tinted and the colours are not exact!
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These old pictures are very accurate and were in colour, the fact is that the whole world was black and white before the invention of colour after WW1.
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At last a bit of progress, Masts and funnels aren't stuck yet, nor the very top deck which isn't painted yet.
A fair bit to do yet before I can put them in place. If you get the assembly sequence wrong, some of it won't fit, the top deck fits around the foremast which is tapered so that has to go on first allowing the deck to slide over it from further up the mast. Lots of brass to go on too.
Now I'm struggling to take a decent picture!
Haddock.
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But you struggle so marvellously Haddock.
A contender for Britain's Got Talent I reckon!
Bigkev
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Looking good Tony, don't watch too much motorcycle racing1
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another maritime masterpiece
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Could not agree with you more Kiteman.
I have had the 'Privilege' of seeing Haddocks work, and it is mind blowing what he ends up with. If I ever get half as good I'll be happy.
As usual fantastic work Haddock, matey!
Bigkev
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You do go on a bit you lot!
But thanks.
Haddock.
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We are all simply dumfounded by your Talent.
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Put brilliantly Kiteman!
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Bit more progress. I've decided that the mysterious appendage behind the fore-funnel is definitely some form of derrick so here it is complete with pulley. The brass-work certainly makes it look more "busy"don't you think.
Haddock.
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The start of it looking busy Haddock.
Nice clean tidy work.
Bigkev
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Great stuff.
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awesome!!!
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Coming along very well. I do like the weathering too. It looks very "ship mucky".
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Remember me?
Progress is very slow, I seem to be plagued with disruptions and delays, however I've managed to get some more brass on, masts and a bit of rigging.
Haddock.
Congratulations to Terry on his forthcoming event and welcome to our new member from Germany.
Haddock again.
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Nice to see you are still managing to stick the odd bit together.
It is coming along nicely.
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It sure is....looking mega impressive.
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What I really enjoy about the pictures of Haddock's ships is that somehow, they transport you onto the decks. They certainly don't look like models so compliments on the keen eye and steady hand - however long it takes you it's always worth the wait!
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Thank you kind sir. Don't forget to take the clamps to Germany when you go.
Haddock.
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yeah! Dont forget the clamps...
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They say simple things please simple minds. Surprising how a few bits of string make the model look more seaman-like and busy. Must admit, I'm pleased with the pulley system that operates the boat handling derrick, didn't think I could pull it off to start with. Simple mind!
Haddock.
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Bit more detail added, railings and ladders.
Haddock.
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Bit more detail added, railings and ladders.
Haddock.
It astounds me how your little fingers manage all these details.
Great stuff.
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Super stuff! What did you use for the rigging? EZLine??
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EZ line and Boyes invisible mending thread.(it's just like a monofilament fishing line )
Boyes is a shop that sells almost everything, branches dotted around most of Yorkshire. The mending thread is " smoke "coloured , 0.1 dia. You get miles of the stuff on a cotton reel for about £2, I bought a reel about 8 years ago and used it on every bi-plane and ship I've done, still got loads left. There's a Boyes in Driffield!!
We could get you some just in case they are closed when you come.
Haddock.
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Wizzel.....take note!
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Last of the rigging for a while, gaff with topping lift and braces.
Next job is ships boats.I lost one of the hulls although I'm convinced it was missing from the box to start with so I've had to scratch-build one with card and Milliput ( the white one ). they all sit on brass cradles which are a mile out. I'll have to cobble up something simple to mount 'em.
Haddock.
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Your scratch build looks excellent.
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I could tell that it was scratch build...well done, most excellent
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More boats, there are six like this. They all have the same disease, the gunwales are miles over-scale and the thwarts sit too high in the hull. Bit of Beesting butchery soon puts that right. Should look better under a coat of paint.
Haddock.
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Presumably that is a before and after, one looks a lot thicker than the other.
The cleanliness of your work always astounds me!
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Yes, before and after. Would be better if I could see what I was doing.
Haddock.
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Should of gone to 'Specsavers!'
Bigkev
But bloody brilliant anyway!!!
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I dont really know what the names mean (not being a nautical man) but the modelling looks superb.
PS i had thwarts as a kid and the doctor froze them off...
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Did it make your eyes water?
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Thwarts are seats and the gunwale is the "edge" of the boat.
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Thanks for that Haddock, ist always good to learn something new, and yes it made my eyes water.
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Another miniature masterpiece in the making!
Bigkev
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No1 First lot of boats in place.
No2 I sometimes think I need my bumps feeling, that's a 0.3mm drill through 0.9mm plastic. All will be revealed if it works.
Haddock.
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Much too small for me.
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Another boat in place plus its derrick and some bits of string to tart it up a bit. Definitely bump-feeling country this
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great work Haddock, but what is "bump feeling country"?
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I would say it is guesswork or your best effort to put there what you think should be there. I seem to use quite a lot of it myself.
As long as its your own bumps, it must be ok.
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great work Haddock, but what is "bump feeling country"?
Difficult to explain but someone who needs their bumps feeling is reckoned to be a bit simple and prone to doing stupid things from time to time. Zak could explain it better 'cos he's had a better education than me.
Haddock.
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...or has he had his bumps felt more often? ;)
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His bumps are easier to get at than mine, less hair y' see.
Haddock.
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I shall say nothing.
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That makes a refreshing change!!
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More boats added, steam launches this time.
Haddock.
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More boats added, bit fiddely this, the davits had to be scratch-built, the Trumpeter offerings just collapsed as soon as I looked at 'em. They're supposed to swing outboard to miss the tumble-home when the boat is lowered. They do but seen as the boat is fixed in place, you can't shift 'em.
Haddock.
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