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Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: Bigkev on May 12, 2020, 08:59:36 PM
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Hi All,
Well I have decided to go a little bigger than my last project, from 1/144th to 1/32, so not much change.....!
It is a Roden kit, so I'm expecting some build challenges.
I have also taken the opportunity to use SAC Metal undercarriage to help with nose weight, and some paint masks.
The 'spark' to buying this kit, was some of the artwork produced by one of our members and aviation artist Keith Woodcock for the 'Warplane' part work aviation magazine about 25 years ago.
In his pictures he shows the 'Lynx' in its activities both in day and night, coupled with the photographs in the article, I always said to myself if one of those becomes available I would like one in my collection.
A picture of the 'Roden' Box Art just as a start.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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It'll be interesting to see this one Kevin. What's the wingspan?
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It'll be interesting to see this one Kevin. What's the wingspan?
Hi Chris,
Just checked it out, and I reckon it will be about 14.5 inches wingspan.
The parts are just about to have a bath to remove any mould release agent. I'll post pictures of the sprues tomorrow, before I start the build.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Hi All,
Well the sprues have been duly washed and dried to remove all traces of release agent.
The parts moulded in mid-grey have a slightly textured surface to them especially on larger parts, and some flash. Nothing that a quick pass with some sanding sticks cannot deal with. The clear parts are not bad but look if they have some sort of 'flow' evident in the parts. However once in water these disappeared, so I think a few dunks in 'Kleer' might resolve this.
The SAC metal parts supplied replacement bulkhead, engine mount nose undercarriage leg and rear undercarriage leg.
Some pictures follow, hopefully I start some building tomorrow.....
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That should keep you out of trouble for a short while Kevin.
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Hi Chris,
I think it might be quite a while.
Been working on the main wing, and fuselage parts today.
Lots of cleaning up, flash to remove, etc.
Have realised that this 'Lynx' has teeth, and will continue to bite through this build, but I do think it a challenging build, perhaps more than normal.
Some pictures will follow on next post.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Hi All,
As promised, some pictures and explanation to the many problems with the kit that I've encountered so far.
Wings.
These need a lot of sanding to remove the flash and the sprue attachment points. There are a number of holes to fill. Some to mark out and drill. Worst of all there is a definite 'sink' line along the rear trailing edge of the upper wing, which will need some filling, rectification.
Note that the boom attachment points are very narrow, so I intend to create some internal reinforcements inside the booms to help with alignment, and strength.
You might also be interested to note that the ailerons are shown on the instructions and in situ, where as they are separate items. Later on in the build the mounting ports for the wing support booms and the struts, do not appear in the build, just notionally in the instruction in situ.
Fuselage.
Well apart from the flash, the parts inhibit a coarse finish, which needs polishing out.
However, when you do a dry run, with the wing and canopy you realise that the fuselage is some 1.5mm narrow overall around the cockpit. Dimensionally, this my be incorrect, but to fit the parts supplied the fuselage needs a slight widening overall, this I will do by adding some plasticard shims.
In addition the locating pins do not help with the alignment as much as I would like. So I am going to add some thin plasticard tabs to the fuselage innards to add reinforcement as per vac-forming techniques.
Also this kit needs a lot of 'input' from the modeller, for instance the holes for the landing lights in the nose don't exist, the locations are given on the instructions where to drill, but it is not an easy task to get accurate.
When joining the upper fuselage I intend to add some brass pins to reinforce the delicate joining points, and perhaps some tabs, and maybe some 'not correct' internal sparing to beef up the structure. I might also need to enlarge the bulkheads by adding some plasticard to the parts to fit the enlarged girth.
Some pictures follow:-
Bigkev
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This looks like a labour of love.
You well make it work I am sure.
You might as well scratch build.
It always amazes me that manufacturers don't do a pre-build to iron out faults before they run off a kit.
There are so many kits that have problems.
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It will be good see this one when it’s finished Kevin, I’ve always liked this plane, seen it in many Vietnam films, I think they used one in BAT21 great film, and didn’t airfix make one in 1/72 many moons ago?
Many happy hours
Bob c
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Yes Aifix did do one of these in 1/72nd years ago. I did build one once upon a time.
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Thanks Gents for the comments.
Yes, Airfix did one in 1/72, and I believe ARII also did one.
I built the Airfix one a couple of times, but always had problems with the upper fuselage windows, in making them look right.
A few -(read many) years on. I have now learnt from my learned comrades techniques to rectify loads of issues, so I will be drawing on that information and know how.
Hopefully, I will be able to make a decent job of this one, in time.
I have never seen a completed model of this 'Lynx' so hopefully I'll have something a little bit different.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Looking forward to watching this progress.
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the comments, much appreciated.
Well I've started to rectify the wings, of the moulding sink lines.
I taped off the areas I did not want to be affected by the filler. I also re-scribed the panel lines in the area directly adjacent to the flap area.
This helped by having them still visible once the sanding had been completed.
I then applied some 'Green stuff' filler into the 'sink' area.
Once dry, I sanded the areas, and eventually revealed the amount of filler needed to fill the void. This now needs a further coat of Mr. Surfacer 500, then sanded back to get near an acceptable surface finish.
Some pictures follow:-
Bigkev
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lovely work.
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Definitely a labour of love Kevin.
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Hi Chris,
Yes, its going to be one of those models.
But, I have managed today to assemble the wings, the ordnance, and check the fuselage fitting to the wing with a plan how to rectify/reinforce the wing fuselage join.
I'll post some pictures shortly,
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Sounds like good progress Kevin.
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Sounds like good progress Kevin.
Hi Chris,
At the time of writing things looked okay going forward.
However yesterday, I got involved with a Step-Ladder, vs Gravity situation whilst doing some repairs/re-configuration of the 'Garden Shed'
Gravity won, and I ended landing flat on my back from about 5 feet. I am somewhat bruised, sore and stiff as a result. So modelling will be on the 'back burner' for a little while whilst I recover.
Oh well, I'm still alive to tell the tale.....
Cheers for now...…..
Bigkev
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Hope you're back to modelling soon Kevin.
You'll have to give up the heavy outside work!
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Hope you soon feel better.
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Very interesting aircraft.
I like the way you mark out the sink marks and write comments on the kit parts.
Great stuff Kevin.
Andy.
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Kevin
I hope you are recovering well! I did something similar many years ago!
I don't do ladders anymore!
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Hi All,
Well I'm back in the modelling saddle again.
Last time I was trying to sort out the wings where there was a rather large sink line at the trailing edge.
I have now sanded the area after filling, and brushing on Mr. Surfacer 500 allowing to dry and re-sanding.
Next I have added the wing tips and sanded and faired them in.
Rather than attempting to build the interior, I decided to focus on the main airframe and how to resolve some of the fit issues.
The Fuselage is too narrow as stated before, so to remedy this I have added a few slices of plastic card to the forward frames of the upper cockpit, in turn the fuselage is meant to slightly 'bow' out to meet the wing edge. My solution was to add an internal 'rib' to the top of the wing on the inside, then add a strip to the inside of the fuselage. When joined the fuselage slips neatly into the gap and in turn pulls the upper fuselage out to 'bow' with the wing edge. I may need to add some extra reinforcement to strengthen the join, but so far it looks like it has done the trick.
The tail booms were assembled and their joining surfaces are quite small and not really positive. So to make a stronger joint, I made a balsa insert to fit inside each boom, which slips tightly inside the rear of the wing.
I then noticed that the upper wing fences are meant to fit into the previously drilled holes as per the instruction sheet, only to find that the rear hole is in the wrong place, it should have been 19mm from the panel line, not 9mm!! as shown on the instructions, so I'll need to fill the offending hole and re-drill another to match the locating pins on the wing fence parts.
However I have managed to do a dry run of the main airframe now with most major parts in place, and can see that it will now line up better than before, and the windscreen now matches the fuselage parts.
I have also realised that the upper windows on top of the fuselage are for the 0-2 version, the 'Lynx' does not have them, so I can add the glazed parts with Superglue and sand back with too much caution, it also means I can add reinforcement to the wing fuselage joint with plasticard as it will not show from the outside.
One thing I have noted during my trial assembly that this is a very tail heavy model, and even though I have bought the Scale Aircraft Conversions undercarriage and engine parts, it may need some additional nose weight. Luckily there seems to be a void between the Firewall and instrument panel where I can add some lead and plasticine.
Some pictures of the above follow:-
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Pleased that you are OK again.
An excellent description of the work involved Kevin!
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Great work, your attention to detail is second to none.
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Looking good
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Glad you're back Kevin.
You're certainly having to put the effort into this model. Looking good.
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Plenty of work with this model to keep you off roofs for a while!! Looking good. Whenever I try adding plugs to tail booms they never sit correctly which is why my Swiss Vampire is at the back of the display cabinet, lol!!!
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Thanks chaps for the comments.
A little slow progress today on one of the engines.
The parts were really badly affected by flash, and some mould slippage. This needed trimming careful, with a scalpel, followed by needle files, wet and dry paper.
So what would be a quick sprue attachment point then glue in place, became a chore before sticking any parts together.
In all there were about 30 parts to what can be seen in the pictures, with the 'metal' engine block.
The engine mount fought hard not to be assembled, but I won in the end and now it is quite sturdy.
I have included a couple of pictures to show the extent of the flash issue with this kit, so now I'm prepared for a 'longer' build.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Wow, lots of flash to clean up there, I presume it is an old kit.
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Hi Zak,
No, not really only about 18 months from when it was released.
Oh well, it'll keep me out of trouble.
Bigkev
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Hi Zak,
No, not really only about 18 months from when it was released.
Oh well, it'll keep me out of trouble.
Bigkev
Trouble and mischief may be overrated.
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Hi All,
Whilst I'm struggling with the flash on the parts, I'd thought I'd post a few images that inspired my build of the 'Lynx'. The paintings are by our own Keith Woodcock, and he has graciously given his consent for me to use them in relation to this build.
My pictures don't do justice to real paintings. I have also added a couple of pictures of the real thing to show what I hope to achieve with my build.
I'll post the next stage of build soon.
Hope you like the images.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Great Pics Kevin.
I like the one where he's in a turning fight with a Vampire. Balls of steel that man!
Andy.
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Hi All,
Just to advise you that this model is due to return the 'bench' very soon. Inspired by the ICM 1/48 build of the 0-2 in SAMI.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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I hope that's not a false promise as per SAMI. lol!!!!!
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I hope that's not a false promise as per SAMI. lol!!!!!
Hi Chris,
I could say 'Mark' my words. But, no, I have been working through my next step in this build.
I think, I am going to concentrate making sub-assemblies and then hopefully bring it all together in stages.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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We await this masterpiece Kevin.
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Hi All,
Well back to it!
As stated earlier in the build, this model seems to fight at every turn. Taking the model out of its box and looking at the current point of the build, I decided that I must try and work out how to get the fuselage and internal bulkheads to fit.
In the engine bay, I replaced the bulkhead/firewall and engine mount with white metal items from Scale Aircraft Conversions. These needed cleaning up with some sanding sticks and files, On test fitting I noticed the item was slightly undersize, so a thin strip of plasticard around the outside edge of the part. This was then sanded to match the internal section of the nose profile.
The floor fits okay, and there is a void between the firewall and instrument panel to add additional weight, so that is a bonus. The rear bulkhead needed some trimming to allow for the plasticard shims fitted to wings.
On the upper fuselage the top glazing's were used to as templates make plasticard replacements, the wing section one was glued into place and once dry sanded to shape, similarly, the fuselage side window in front of the door was dealt with in but using the glazed part super glued into position, then filled and sanded.
The upper front glazing was made to shape, but I won't be able to fix this in place until the fuselage is together. To support the thin plastic, a pair of brass pins were placed into them after careful drilling. I also added numerous tabs to the fuselage floor, nose and rear fuselage to aid alignment and make more secure.
When all test fitted, it now appears to be more rigid than before.
Some pictures follow:-
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Couple more pictures
Bigkev
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This looks like a lot of hard work. it will be a masterpiece in the end, keep at it.
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I like this aircraft, lots of hard work going on, but it will finish as a master piece.
Bob c
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Proper modelling.
Haddock.
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Proper modelling.
Haddock.
I agree. Keep it up Kevin - it's looking good.
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Hi Chaps,
Thanks for your comments, appreciated.....!
Trying to aim for sticking about 20/30 parts together for the next few sessions, Roden like to make a meal out of every assembly.
Tonight, the rear engine!
Bigkev
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Update!!
I have been busily ferreting away, sticking parts together, though not as easy as it seems.
This kit is full of flash, and mould slippage, which takes ages to clean up. Each part needed some remedy work to make them useable.
The seat mounting parts are probably the worst as can be seen in the pictures.
Anyway, I think I am somewhere near painting stage at last, so maybe my next post will have some paint details.
This model needs a great deal of weight, the metal firewall and engine help a lot, but I added some lead weight to the rear of the firewall from some aquarium lead from Haddock, given a few years ago, also some 'liquid gravity into the rear of the engine mounting, secured with super glue thick.
The clear parts have been dipped in 'Kleer' which improved their appearance greatly. Note I have left some of the sprue attached to each glazed window, so I could hold each part in a peg whilst the 'Kleer' dried.
Anyway, some pictures follow.
Thanks,
Bigkev
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A few more pictures.
Bigkev
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Wow, lots of extra work needed on this kit.
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There's certainly a lot of work there Kevin. Looking pretty good; looking forward to the finished model.
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Plenty to keep you busy there on your days off!!!
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I agree lots of good work, excellent idea with the glazing why didn’t I think of that.
Bob c
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Thanks Guys,
This model has certainly given me an appreciation of modelling skills, learnt so far, and still to learn.
Paint is being applied, and I will be posting in due course.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Really amazing perseverance, Kevin.
It would have been in the bin long ago with me.
It will be great when finished!
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Hi All,
Thankyou for your positive comments.
No pictures of paint yet, as I realised I needed to sort the fuselage transparencies.
These fitted really poor, and on the 337 Lynx some have a porthole type of appearance.
To overcome this I glued the parts in place using 'Humbrol' Clearfix, a bit thick, clear adhesive, so once dry I added some small drops of super glue in strategic areas, to ensure a good bond.
I then used 'Bare-metal foil' , to mask the outside of the clear parts.(see photo's)
I then used Perfect Plastic Putty, by Deluxe to fill any issues in the glazing. I had already painted the outside edges of the transparencies in dark grey, and also the mating surfaces.
I then masked the internal glazing with Tamiya Tape to cover the glazed portions that would be seen.
Once dry it was apparent that some issues remained, but I decided to apply some paint to match the internal paint scheme, and the later on attempt to fill any deficiencies as best I could.
Once dry, I will probably attempt to rectify/disguise any flaws in the glazing.
I also noted the was a slight sink mark on the fuselage, so applied Mr. Surfacer 500 with a brush, and once dry gently sanded back for a better finish.
Some pictures follow of the cockpit glazing issues
Bigkev
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Wow, that's going the extra mile,
Are you not worried that superglue may fog the transparencies?
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Well done Kevin - if it was mine I would have said the windows have fallen out, or done it as an old plane in a museum, but that's me not you - hohohho
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An amazing amount of work there Kevin. No wonder your models look great.
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Wow, looks good after all the effort
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Some hard work needed to get it to here but no doubt it will be worth it in the end. Looking forward to it.
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Hi Guys,
Thankyou for all your comments.
I must admit I had a 'Aaaaaargh!' moment!
One of those pesky windows dropped out in cleaning up. It nearly became a 1/32 scale flying model at this stage!
However following Zak's example, I walked away and returned a few hours later and decided a plan to overcome the problem. Despite the potential issue of 'fogging' I decided to use superglue to re-attach the glazing, hoping that the 'Kleer' will prevent any fogging..........
I have used both 'Green stuff' and Mr. Surfacer 500 to help fill any problem area's, these seem to have done the trick.
I might now be able to get painting underway in earnest.
A couple of pictures follow after re=glueing, sanding, and re-priming.
Thanks,
Bigkev
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Some choice words don't help. but they ease the tension at the time.
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Some choice words don't help. but they ease the tension at the time.
I think I took a leaf out of Msea's book, and made sure it was 'naughty nautical'
Bigkev
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Hi All,
A little update.
The engines are more or less complete, the engine bays and cockpit/floor are painted.
Started on the instrument panel, which calls to be painted white in the instructions and then overlay the decal for it. Not sure if this is to make the dials stand out more clearly.
I'm trying it, if it does not work, I'll strip it of paint and decal and repaint adding individual instruments as aftermarket decals in my decal store.
Also have done another general test fit of the main wing, boom and tailplane.
I have used a section of Balsa between the fins to ensure a 90 degree alignment, whilst the tailplane is drying.
Interior seats painted, and now ready for detail painting and some seat belts from wine bottle foil (what else?)
Happier now, it is beginning to take shape.
Some pictures follow.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Slow but sure is the best way, I always get too impatient to see a model finished,
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Yes I get fed up and move onto another model to keep my interest going and then go back to the original one later
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Looking good Kevin.
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Are you displaying it with the engine covers off? Sems a pity to hide them.
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Are you displaying it with the engine covers off? Sems a pity to hide them.
The rear one is more or less impossible,
The front one might be as a removeable cover, depends how it all lines up. But the good news is, I know it is in there!!
Exposed noted on 'wish list', possibility a little unsure at this stage.
Bigkev
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Exposed noted on 'wish list', possibility a little unsure at this stage.
Bigkev
As Eric and Ernie used to say "its nice out well, put it away there is a policeman coming" or have I got the wrong end of the stick with your comments Kevin - HOHOHOHO
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Tut, tut Msea.
What happened to decorum.
Bigkev
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Its all in your mind Kevin - ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Its all in your mind Kevin - ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I think that 'you is a naughty boy, with wicked twinkle in eye.....'
My mind is totally blank, as you know.......ho,ho,ho,ho
Bigkev
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I am saying nothing about your mind but Zak thinks I have an empty space between my ears ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That's why all those wierd and wonderful ideas bounce round!!
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That's why all those wierd and wonderful ideas bounce round!!
I never thought of it in that way Chris.
Explains a lot.
Bigkev
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That's why all those wierd and wonderful ideas bounce round!!
I concur.
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H All,
The Lynx has been put on 'bed rest' for now.
Taking too much time to get further in the project.
It will return, maybe after a month........
Thanks,
Bigkev