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Models => Modelling Projects => Topic started by: zak on March 19, 2018, 11:05:12 AM
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After my talk on Thor Missiles and bases, this is my first mock up of a base.
Some selective compression may have to be used as even one launch site was quite large.
The missile base is from Belcher's Bits and the erector trailer is in the process of being scratch built.
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Impressive work. Watching this one closely!
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The 'God' of Bempton strikes again!
Nice Zak,
I am sure it will be an impressive model once complete, even if you have to use some artistic licence on size of site.
It will attract a lot of interest.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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I have built the 1/76 BW Leyland Hippo and erector trailer combination, not too happy with the results, but it is white metal after all.
Note to self - must do better.
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Some progress with the launch system, the missile fits on the base (this is the BW missile) and the trailer erector mates with the lower part of the launch base.
The clamshell clamp works and the missile goes up and down as does the trailer.
A bit more research and reading needed - or guesswork to see how to connect the umbilical tower to the launch platform.
The missile has only been undercoated.
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What did you use for the glass in the cab on the Leyland Hippo?
Bridlufc
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Clear plastic card.
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Do you treat clear plastic card with future/ the new equivalent beforehand?
Bridlufc
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Do you treat clear plastic card with future/ the new equivalent beforehand?
Bridlufc
Afterwards, the smaller windows were filled with Humbrol Clearfix.
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Here we are, I missed the mudguards off the erector, for some reason I had assumed that they were removed with the rear dolly, but apparently not.
Anyway by popular demand (well Adrian) we have mudguards.
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Hi Zak,
This is one intriguing build, and mudguards added to boot.
I think this will be a definite crowd pleaser.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Whatever can this be?
Answers on a postcard please.
Well I won't tease you too long, it will eventually be the missile shelter, I am beginning to regret this, just look at the size.
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Are you applying for FOUR tables now at Telford?
You just don't realise the space they occupied until you see it like this.
Nice work.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Selective compression - well some anyway.
The track that the shelter ran on was 300ft long (1200mm in 4mm scale).
Mine is just over a metre, it will have to do.
The rails are OO, spaced the required distance apart, this is real Broad Gauge.
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Trawling the net I came across this model of a Thor base from 1961.
https://www.oldmodelkits.com/blog/plastic-model-kit-history/itc-ideal-toy-company-model-kit-history-and-cam-a-matic-action-used-in-the-halibut-uss-enterprise-thor-mercer-duesenburg-and-battling-betsy/
I would buy one but I believe they go for around £1000 or so. Mrs Smith says dream on.
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I'm surprised you dared to ask her!!
Bridlufc
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Your a braver man than i Gunga Dinn.
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I think Zak deserves a medal, or £1000.00
Bigkev
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I think Zak deserves a medal, or £1000.00
Bigkev
Both please!
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Hi Zak,
Sorry cannot give you either, only my praise for your build, will that do.............?
Bigkev
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Your a braver man than i Gunga Dinn.
All I can give you is the correct sppeeelinnng of you name Gunga Din -- not Dinn as I put in the comment - if you are interested it is on TV on BBC2 at 1350 hrs on Tuesday 27th March.
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A lot of thinking and not much modelling going on at the moment.
Blast walls and the end door of the shelter.
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Hi Zak,
I thought that that rumbling was a mini earthquake in the direction of Bempton.
Now I know that it was you 'thinking', both have a similar resonance.
Joking apart, it all looks great, don't worry man, just do what you 'think' it should look like and 'don't worry about others'.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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It is all getting out of hand, even with some compression the model is getting quite large.
I have built it in parts but even so I may have bitten off more than I can cope with.
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It is all getting out of hand, even with some compression the model is getting quite large.
I have built it in parts but even so I may have bitten off more than I can cope with.
NEVER -- it will look great at Telford and you will be inundated with people trying to join your SIG. My only worry is that with this model and your V2 model -- as they said in the film JAWS -- you are going to need a bigger table.
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Due to the size of his exhibits Zak is going to need another venue at Telford this year. Also he's going to need Pickfords to get it there!!
Bridlufc
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Hi Zak,
Well its impressive even in its current basic state., Perhaps you could embody 'Honey I Shrunk the Kids' method on this one.
Build it large, shrink it, transport it easily to Telford, then once in situ enlarge it back to normal size.
See it really is simple, other than it being Sci-Fi fantasy................................
Bet you will have them falling over themselves at Telford to join.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Missile is now in place, this is the BW, vacuum formed one on a scratch built erector.
The photos show the various stages in the launch, there will be lots of stuff to add inside the shelter. The resin launch pad may not travel well - time will tell no doubt.
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Hi Zak,
Lots of detail in this build, I reckon an IPMS special in the making.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Hi Zak,
Lots of detail in this build, I reckon an IPMS special in the making.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Thanks Kevin, they already have an article on the V2, but they do seem slow to publish things.
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Disaster -I applied a coat of Humbrol acrylic gloss varnish to the model and the decals have bled into other areas, I will have to see if I can touch things up. Otherwise it will be a complete rub down and start again. I have been unhappy with my white finish, I should have used Halfords Appliance white I guess. The Humbrol acrylic gloss white seems to be very soft and marks easily.
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Just remember its only a hobby and for fun !!!!!!!
It will arise like a phoenix from the ashes even better than before.
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Just remember its only a hobby and for fun !!!!!!!
It will arise like a phoenix from the ashes even better than before.
Oh, it's only a hobby - are you sure?
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Or a penance for past lives?!! I am sure all will come good Zak, sit back and take a breather.
Bridlufc
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Or a penance for past lives?!! I am sure all will come good Zak, sit back and take a breather.
Bridlufc
Are you saying we are like a Buddhist -- if you have been bad in past lives you come back as the lowest of the low "a plastic modeler."
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Well I have rubbed it all down, will now have to source some decals.
Meanwhile back at the Thor site, this is the size it will be, no bigger, but it is 4 ft. x 4 ft. in each direction in it's longest part.
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I think your idea of 2 tables at Telford is on the SMALL size -- I think you will need about 8 tables.
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I think your idea of 2 tables at Telford is on the SMALL size -- I think you will need about 8 tables.
Two tables will be fine - I can always spread onto the B&WSMC and BOB SIG - sorry guys.
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Priorities Zak!!
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I know what my priorities are, never mind the rest of you.
Here is the Short Theodolite platform that sits inside the shelter, some (well a lot) of artistic licence I am afraid. Scratch built.
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I am now working on the Liquid Oxygen (LOX) supply while I give my missile lots of time to dry between coats.
The LOX was stored in a double skinned tank with a vacuum kept between the two, hence the need for a vacuum pump to maintain this vacuum. The vacuum pump was scratch built from the spares box and is totally fictitious - sorry.
The LOX was supplied by British Oxygen.
As the LOX boils at -183 oC problems occurred with expansion and contraction of the pipes, to overcome this the supply lines were suspended on brackets, thus allowing movement as the liquid oxygen progressed down the pipe.
The LOX is not a fuel but provided the oxygen for the fuel to burn.
The fuel was supplied from the opposite side of the missile RP-1 (high grade kerosene), again on suspended pipes.
To avoid contamination nitrogen was used to push the LOX along the pipe, the two nitrogen trailers were scratch built.
Although LOX does not combust, if it comes into contact with combustible material it cause instant combustion to occur, great care and protective clothing were used.
An onsite shower was also provided. The last picture shows this, it looks to have a water tank above it.
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Is the last photo of the crew toilet block ?????????
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Is the last photo of the crew toilet block ?????????
Don't be silly Msea,
We can all see its the main control room.....................................
Cheers,
Bigkev
PS. Zak, this is a very impressive and entertaining build, despite my silly comment.
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Is the last photo of the crew toilet block ?????????
Its is the emergency shower that was provided next to the Liquid Oxygen tank in case of accident.
Here are the lighting gantries under construction, there were 7 on the site, mine will have 3, scratch built from rod, strip and other bits, the ladders are bought and modified. They now need cleaning up and painting, but the colour is a problem, maybe white with black ladders, or would they be RAF blue?
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Amazing and interesting!
Roger
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I have been scratch building some of the trailers that form part of the infrastructure for the launch of the Thor missile.
So artistic licence here I am afraid, details are quite sketchy.
There are hydraulic pumps for the raising of the missile, air conditioning units, Power switchboards and electrical and launch control trailers. Everything used the US electrical system.
The diesel generators were situated some distance from the actual launch site.
Most of these were connected to the conduit that was laid into the concrete site.
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Complex stuff, you sure enjoy a challenge don't Zak? Impressive all the same.
Bridlufc
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Complex stuff, you sure enjoy a challenge don't Zak? Impressive all the same.
Bridlufc
I think the project is running away with itself - maybe I should never have started.
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Obsession springs to mind!!
Bridlufc
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Obsession springs to mind!!
Bridlufc
Not my brand of perfume I am afraid, "O de Sweat" for me.
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Due to 20 years as an engineer - I just glow !!!!!!
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The left side of the missile shelter is almost complete, still paining to do, I need some advice on the colour of vehicles and so on.
Anyway here are some views with the undercoated vehicle in position.
I am still waiting for the paint of the missile to thoroughly dry.
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Here we are with the missile shelter retracted.
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Hi Zak,
This build is just getting better and better. Like all the ancillary stuff you've made from scratch, it really looks good and gives a sense of the complicated set up.
A lot of research is evident in this build.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Hi Zak,
This build is just getting better and better. Like all the ancillary stuff you've made from scratch, it really looks good and gives a sense of the complicated set up.
A lot of research is evident in this build.
Cheers,
Bigkev
Not enough really, some areas are incorrect, but it may have to do.
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Progress of sorts. Missiles are 37 and 39 - two from Carnaby, the one on the trailer with the Leyland Hippo has no warhead attached.
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I am now working on the other side and painting the vehicles and changing the colour of the missile shelter after taking advice.
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Was just thinking again -- seeing how this model has become larger and larger -- how about motorising it and having the roof move off and the missile rise into the firing position ???????
Or will this comment get me a double price sub for this year ??????
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Was just thinking again -- seeing how this model has become larger and larger -- how about motorising it and having the roof move off and the missile rise into the firing position ???????
Or will this comment get me a double price sub for this year ??????
Believe it or not the thought had also crossed my mind.
I even thought about launching the missile.
Stop dreaming, get back in the real world!
A model was produced in the 1960's that did this, they are rare, one sold recently for £1500 I think.
Look at the bottom of page 1 on this thread.
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Well it is about as far as I want to go, some of the vehicles are a bit rough and ready but it is more of an overview than individual bits, its about the whole base.
Some figures and the odd bit to finish, but it is time for a rest and do something else.
I may come back to this at some stage.
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A few more views.
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Excellent work - when will we see it in real life -- on Wed ?????????
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Excellent work - when will we see it in real life -- on Wed ?????????
Probably at Telford!
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Can I wait that long ??????!!!!!!!!????????
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Can I wait that long ??????!!!!!!!!????????
Could this be a new chat up line -
"Come up and see my Thors some time"
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Nice one Zak.......that has a certain 'Je ne sais qua' to it!!!
Bridlufc
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I said to one of my female neighbour's " come and see my banana" and she gave me a very funny look. Its a good job she has a sense of humour and knows I am a keen gardener.
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How far would I get with 'Would you like to come up and see my photo etch?'
Bridlufc
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How far would I get with 'Would you like to come up and see my photo etch?'
Bridlufc
If you said it to 'Eduard' you might get a surprise..............
Bigkev
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I obtained a period fire tender from Adrian, it is a B.W Models kit.
This is of course 1/76 and although not quite right it will have to do until I buy the correct one.
Some of the B. W Models are available from https://lakelandmilitarymodels.com/home-1
This kit is the Thornycroft Mk 5, TFB80.
I will post some photos later, dinner is ready, and then I need to get some potatoes planted.
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Well, if you have never built a B.W kit here are a few pointers.
The cab was not square.
Some of the castings are incomplete and have holes in them.
So you really do have to be prepared to do some work.
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Well, if you have never built a B.W kit here are a few pointers.
The cab was not square.
Some of the castings are incomplete and have holes in them.
So you really do have to be prepared to do some work.
Could this be the kit to slow you down, Zak??
I have made B.W. models myself, though unique in nature and subject, they do test the modellers modelling ability to the extreme.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Slow him down -- you mean Kevin it will take 20 mins not 3 mins.
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Slow him down -- you mean Kevin it will take 20 mins not 3 mins.
Time? It is all relative, the faster you go the more time you have.
The older you get, the faster time goes.
It's all a bit too deep for me.
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So at the risk of disappearing through the hole in the afternoon, here it is being built.
Walked from Sewerby to Bridlington and put in 2x 30 ft. rows of potatoes, so as you can see I do other things as well.
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So at the risk of disappearing through the hole in the afternoon, here it is being built.
Walked from Sewerby to Bridlington and put in 2x 30 ft. rows of potatoes, so as you can see I do other things as well.
Dear Busy of Bempton,
Cannot comment on the walk or the rows of potatoes, but that looks quite a nice model of the said Thorneycroft Mk.5 Fire Engine.
Perhaps you have managed to 'master' a B.W. kit afterall.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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So at the risk of disappearing through the hole in the afternoon, here it is being built.
Walked from Sewerby to Bridlington and put in 2x 30 ft. rows of potatoes, so as you can see I do other things as well.
Dear Busy of Bempton,
Cannot comment on the walk or the rows of potatoes, but that looks quite a nice model of the said Thorneycroft Mk.5 Fire Engine.
Perhaps you have managed to 'master' a B.W. kit afterall.
Cheers,
Bigkev
I have built a few, some are better then others, but they usually turn out ok.
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Seeing as you are into "spuds" will you be making a Russian Missile Site ?????????
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I thought they were called 'SCUDS' not spuds!!!
Bigkev
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Here we are, getting there, warts and all.
Remember it is 1/76.
Some fine tuning and glazing still requires.
The jury is still out as to semi gloss or matt.
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Will it depend on how weathered you want it to look? It looks a little too pristine at the moment.
Bridlufc
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Will it depend on how weathered you want it to look? It looks a little too pristine at the moment.
Bridlufc
They were kept in pristine condition as the ones on Thor sites probably did not see much use except for practise.
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Hi Zak,
My Dad was a member of the RAF Firecrew at Driffield in the 1950's.
I think I can say from his explaining as to what he did, that it was standard that all appliances were kept in excellent condition both mechanically(obvious) but also in appearance. His own car, a Humber was always immaculate.............and I mean always!
I never went to see them in person, but you get my drift. Standards set by the RAF, were exacting.
I would go for a more pristine finish.
Cheers,
Bigkev
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Talking to firefighters when I was doing firefighting course in the navy - when the lads came back from a fire the FIRST thing they did was wash down and clean the engine before sorting themselves out -- so I would go with the totally pristine finish.
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Well, my dad was also a fireman in the civilian service (Penrith) and things were certainly kept in tip top condition. My dad left the AFS in London during the war to join aircrew - it was the only way out of the AFS. He served as a navigator on Lancaster's and then re-joined the fire service.
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Here it is now glazed using Clearfix.
In pristine condition! (should this be Christine for Kevin?).
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Here it is now glazed using Clearfix.
In pristine condition! (should this be Christine for Kevin?).
Hi Zak,
I'm sure she would appreciate a pristine condition Kevin, however there is some work to do.
Bu,t I like the Fire Engine, and it seems we all follow the same appreciation for those of that era, to keeping things in the best condition possible, whether in civvy life or in the military.
Looks good Zak,
Even Christine would approve.............
Cheers,
Bigkev